Twinks Rejoice - Turn Off XP In Patch 3.2

[Maticus]

I was just taking a read through the recent announcement about gaining XP in battlegrounds, and I saw that players can opt out if it for a fee of 10g.

Fair enough - then I saw that this doesn't just apply to BGs, this is all content.

If these players disable the ability to gain experience, will this apply to PvE content as well?

Cory Stockton: Yes, this option will apply to PvE content as well as PvP.

I guess there are some happy twinks around :grin:

[Aerath]

Here's a bit more of a snippet:

# Battlegrounds

* Battleground experience has arrived!
o Players will now be awarded experience for completing objectives and actions that yield honor in Battlegrounds (honorable kills not included).
o Players who do not wish to gain experience through PvP can visit Behsten in Stormwind or Slahtz in Orgrimmar - both located near the Battlemasters in either city - and turn off all experience accumulation for the cost of 10 gold.
o Disabling experience gains will prevent a player from gaining experience through any means available in the game.
o Players with experience gains turned off who compete in Battlegrounds will face off only against other players with experience gains turned off.
o Behsten and Slahtz can reinstate experience gains for players, for a 10 gold fee of course. Any experience that would've been accumulated if experience gains were not turned off cannot be recovered.


Color me impressed.

[odinsnephew]

o Players with experience gains turned off who compete in Battlegrounds will face off only against other players with experience gains turned off.

I'm slightly confused by this. Does that mean there are 2 types of bg's now? Xp gains On/Off??

Feel free to /facepalm me if i'm wrong but i'm not understanding this :grin:

[Aerath]

Yup.

In one fel swoop, Blizzard nixed the "but then we run into twinks!' issue. I only hope this won't mean that twinks will be sitting in queue for 2 hrs to finally get a game going.

[Maticus]

Does anyone think we'll see an increase in 'twinking' because of this, or even a decline?

[dgrampa]

It's about f***ing time!

[clevins]

we'll see, Maticus. We'll see if the talk about not twinking just to destroy non-twinks was true. Or if they decide that having to face people just as twinked out as they are means that they decide it's not fun. This is 'put up or shut up' time for twinks... if they lived just to destroy normal players, they'll quit in a fit of QQ. If not, they'll stick around. AS to Aerath's worry about queue times... well if they are OK with facing twinks, it shouldn't be an issue.

[Keepholder]

Does anyone think we'll see an increase in 'twinking' because of this, or even a decline?

Well as the proud owner of a number of twinks Im not impressed with the patch changes. Part of the reason I twink, is because I like to win and I enjoy taking on 3+ opponents a time and live to tell the tale. Kind of like playing the hero's part, strike fear in your enemies when they see your name, saving the day in the nick of time and all that jazz. That's what gives me a kick in WOW. Oh, and I do like the challenge of facing other twinks when it happens, it's just not the same as winning vs. what seems to be impossible odds.

With BGs for twinks only, everyone will be more or less equal, you dont get to be the hero of the battle, and so you might as well level toons and do the regular BGs. The BGs of today are hard enough to fill as it is, and queueing is sometimes horrible. With separate BGs the twink ones will be impossible to fill. On top of that, fewer people will twink as time goes by, if they - like me - twink for the thrill of succesfully defending Lumbermill alone vs. 4 enemies, making sure that your team doesnt have a single death in WSG (yes I've done that), running the flag with 6 people hacking and slashing at you and still shaking them off to win the day, etc etc.

I think Blizzard made a mistake here - a BIG mistake.

And to the people who hate twinks - you are just like the people who twink: You dont like to lose. The difference is twinks do something about it. Try to respect that some people put a lot of time, research and gold into a single character to make it shine, instead of doing mindless grind to level or raid. There should be room for diversity in an game like wow - diversity in skill, levels, gear.

Im not gonna call the patch an act of communism, but it smells like the old - "we're all equal, no one should be able to do better than the rest". If Blizzard wants to stop unequal fights, why not stop the ganking that goes on in STV and other places, where lowlevels do endless corpseruns when they should be doing their quest. At least in BG everyone comes to fight, and some (twinks) choose to come prepared.

[Maticus]

If Blizzard wants to stop unequal fights, why not stop the ganking that goes on in STV and other places, where lowlevels do endless corpseruns when they should be doing their quest. At least in BG everyone comes to fight, and some (twinks) choose to come prepared.

It seems to me like Blizzard has given twinks what they've been asking for since the start, a way to turn off XP and stay at whatever level they want forever without having to worry about accidentally levelling. The BG thing is a surprise though, but one many non twinks will be happy about.

I popped into a BG the other day while levelling a new character to complete a quest, and realised with horror that I'd probably come up against a twink or two. As you said yourself Keepholder, you do it so you can take out several 'regular' players at once. I can understand that, but the reason BGs are tiered is so they are reasonably fair. In a situation where you have a twink vs a player in levelling gear, skill doesn't come into it, and that's the problem for me.

In a twink vs twink scenario, skill will have to get you through. If twinks don't like that, it says a lot about them.

The point you made about ganking in the real world is valid, if Blizz stop twinks from going into BGs against non-twinks, how come high levels can take out lowbies in places like STV? Well, that's something you sign on for when you join a PvP realm, always having to stay alert and sometimes just getting well and truly ganked. But you know it's a risk and that's half of the fun. With BGs, there isn't meant to be that huge gap in performance. Yeah, there can be 10 levels between players worse case scenario but going into a BG, you know the risks if you're low. If a skilled player goes in at around, say, level 37, he probably shouldn't have much of a problem 1 on 1, unless his opponent is a twink, and I think that's unfair.

That's just my opinion though, what do other twinks think of this?

[clevins]

But you see, MAticus, most twinks are only interested in being superman. They're not interested in being better skilled, just in winning. They are, basically, bullies. And now that they have to fight others who are just as big and strong as them, they'll do what most bullies do - cry and run away.

[odinsnephew]

o Players will now be awarded experience for completing objectives and actions that yield honor in Battlegrounds (honorable kills not included).

Another question regarding this - is this xp gain for the specific player or the whole team?

If it is player specific then I predict the bully boy twinks will still be in with the leveling guys but not capping/returning flags or completing objectives that reward xp...........just hanging around midfield killing people.

[Keepholder]

I hear what youre saying Maticus, and it's not the 'turn off xp' button Im worried about.

Obviously BGs are tiered to even out the battle levelwise, but let me ask you this: Why provide availability in different gear and enchants at each level, if not to make it possible to get an edge that way? Why not eliminate all stats etc from gear when you enter a bg, if an even BG-battle is the goal?

The point about knowing the risk when you go to STV also goes for BGs: Theres a chance that someone in there might have done more research than you, spend more gold to get better gear. You know that, and yes YOU can do the same. You can have excactly the same gear and enchants if you bother to work on it. Is it unfair that someone prepared more than you did? That's not unfair, thats just you prioritising differently with your game time.

As for skill, does anyone really believe that twinkplayers that spend all their time in a pvp-environment don't have skill? PVP is all they do, maybe theyre getting good at it? Maybe the hours of researching spells, talents, glyphs, special abilities from gathering professions actually pay off in knowledge of how to use these tools?

All the twinks I know are good players, because they play their class for countless hours in pvp.

Am I a bullie, when I enter the boxing ring to fight and beat another guy or three other guys? They entered the ring with the intention to beat me - are they buillies? No. We all come to fight.

Am I a bullie if steal a five year old's candy? Yes. Am I a bullie when I force another player to fight in STV and I am 20 levels higher than him? As Maticus says, he knew the risk, it's all part of the fun - right?

[Maticus]

Theres a chance that someone in there might have done more research than you, spend more gold to get better gear. You know that, and yes YOU can do the same. You can have excactly the same gear and enchants if you bother to work on it. Is it unfair that someone prepared more than you did? That's not unfair, thats just you prioritising differently with your game time.

I don't think <80 BGs were designed with twinks in mind. Blizzard assumed, due to previous lack of a way to switch off XP gain, that most players in there are leveling, not spending large amounts of money and time making their characters PvP sharks.

If you're leveling a character, especially if it's your first character, you don't have the kind of gold to get the best gear, the best enchants, and it's not even worth it because in a few levels you can get better gear. It can't really be called 'preparing' better, twinking is a bit more than that as you know :)

Having said that, as odinsnephew pointed out, if there's a way twinks can avoid these new twink BGs, I'm sure they will and fair enough ^ ^.

As for skill, does anyone really believe that twinkplayers that spend all their time in a pvp-environment don't have skill? PVP is all they do, maybe theyre getting good at it? Maybe the hours of researching spells, talents, glyphs, special abilities from gathering professions actually pay off in knowledge of how to use these tools?

All the twinks I know are good players, because they play their class for countless hours in pvp.

Twink BGs should be a lot of fun then, what's the problem? :smiley:

Am I a bullie, when I enter the boxing ring to fight and beat another guy or three other guys? They entered the ring with the intention to beat me - are they buillies? No. We all come to fight.

That's right, you're all there to fight. However, you're the equivalent of Mike Tyson visiting a local Boxing club and signing up for matches. You've spend heaps of gold on your gear and PvP all day, non-twinks are just learning or doing something different than leveling for a bit. How can it be fun for you? It's not even a challenge.

I don't expect you to change your mind on this btw, I'm just giving my thoughts =)

[Keepholder]

Thank you for your thoughts, I can totally see your perspective.

Well, we can only guess at Blizzard's original intentions with BGs. It seems obvious now though, that a form of evening out is going on. It's not easy to guess at though. First they introduce powerful bind by account items, that only people with highlevels i.e. most twinkers can attain. Then they remove most twink enchants.

Im sure Ill find new challenges playing vs other twinks if thats the case, which Im already doing btw. Im just saying that my main thrill is doing and being something out of the ordinary.

I know that not everybody has the gold etc to twink, but I didn't say it was the easy way. Getting geared for raiding isnt for everyone either. My point is, that if you make the effort, you can do what twinks do. I started out leveling a skinning and mining char, solely to get the gold to make my first twink. It took a long time, but I got it done, and I felt the grind had a purpose. I enjoy having a project like that, finding out what gear etc I want. Twinks are just playing by the rules, and the rules change all the time.

I like your comparison to Mike Tyson :grin:, except I like to think of myself as a boxer in the same weightclass as everyone else, the difference is I trained a lot harder before the fight.

We'll just have to wait and see exactly how the xp gains in BGs are applied. If f.i. xp is gained through BG victories and kills you won't find the twinks in there. If it's through taking and defending flags only, well twinks will adapt yet again.

[Bancduese]

Some twinks will remain, and probably enough of them to fill a battle ground on occasion, but I predict that wait times for the twink exclusive battle grounds is going to run very high sometime soon after this goes live. There are honestly truly dedicated to the core twinks who simply love having the best edge possible and know the details of a particular battle ground inside out that will retain the possibility of staying at a certain level and only modestly complain about how facing other twinks only is not as easy or as much fun as it was before the new patch.

Most of 'em will try it for a while and find out they aren't nearly as good as they thought they were. Simple stats at work here: a few twinks suck as players, a few twinks excel as players, most twinks are in the middle range of being decent to good players; it is called a bell curve. The outliers on both sides are the players who either are actually lousy as players or conversely are excellent players (note this is all in regards to the subset of players known as twinks and not in relationship to the game as a whole for the comparison of player quality). Most of the twinks are going to find themselves in the average minus to average plus category.

Not being the supermen/superwomen they were, most will (I predict) first complain loudly, hoping that enough fussing will cause Blizzard to rethink this position. They will generally be met with an amazing amount of ridicule from the non-twinks and even some right-side of the bell curve twinks. When it become obvious that Blizzard won't change this policy (and quite probably long before it becomes absolutely clear) a good many of the current crop of twinks will--especially those on the left side of the bell curve, will simply start accepting experience points and move on or else quit in protest or even more simply, stop playing the twink character and more or less retiring the character.

When this occurs (and I think it will), the non-experience point Battle grounds wait time will start to go up...and up...and up.

[Maticus]

I guess I never really understood the point of twinking other than to pwn non-twinks.

Why don't they just level and PvP end game? They can still research and all that :ponder:

[Keepholder]

I guess I never really understood the point of twinking other than to pwn non-twinks.

Why don't they just level and PvP end game? They can still research and all that :ponder:

A quick answer is, that when you feel like making a new twink, you just dont level to 80 and get going from there, when you can do it at 19, 29, 39 or whatever. You can pwn at level 80 or you can save years of your life and do it at 19.

But count me in, when Blizzard enables rolling an 80 toon directly.

[odinsnephew]

I guess I never really understood the point of twinking other than to pwn non-twinks.

Why don't they just level and PvP end game? They can still research and all that :ponder:

Well, from my perspective i'm a lazy leveller. The amount of times i've flown somewhere to start questing and landed and thought "pfffffft cba" and logged at nearest inn or joined bgs. I have so much more fun in them than leveling.

I go around my friends place regularly and watch him in the top end dungeons and I just don't think it is my thing.

I played bg's on my rogue for a few hours yesterday and trade chat was full of people LFM Ulduar spamming. I kept coming out of bg's and same people spamming?? Does not seem like fun hanging around in cities all day!!

I'm not an endgame hater....I just see it as another grind fest that i'm not interested in. I have 3 characters all honor capped so I don't play for honor or even rewards - I play bg's for fun. I don't really play the lower levels though, they are all at 69. This is why I would look forward to leveling in bg's - I can level my lower levels the way I like. I am a bg objective player - I get/return flags, defend bases, heal others etc.

We are all different and lucky that there are several options for all of us in this game :)

[Maticus]

Ok I see :)

But count me in, when Blizzard enables rolling an 80 toon directly.

Now that's a different matter!

[Aerath]

AS to Aerath's worry about queue times... well if they are OK with facing twinks, it shouldn't be an issue.

I don't know. On my BG, at the level range my twink is in, there's generally one to three BGs up at the same time. This includes twinks and non-twinks.

Let's say it splits halfway, for nothing more than simplicities sake. I can well see the 'normal' BG growing a bit, due to the absense of twinks. However, I don't expect the people who previously didn't twink to suddenly hop in and twink over these changes. That leaves half a BG queueing up in the worst case scenario, one and a half at best. This would considerably raise the waiting times. And, whether or not you enjoy fighting other twinks, waiting for two hours just to get a game going isn't fun. Not like you'll be doing anything else as a twink.

I guess I never really understood the point of twinking other than to pwn non-twinks.

Why don't they just level and PvP end game? They can still research and all that :ponder:

For my reasons: A twink will eventually be done. You'll get the best gear available, you'll have every single enchant or Heirloom or whatever and you're done. They can introduce the Icecrown Raid and there won't all of a sudden be a whole new slew of gear you need to grab. There won't be a new arena season where you'll have to grind out completely new jewelry, a cloak, off-set items and a full new PvP set.
I like knowing that the effort I put in won't suddenly be nixed, just because the new arena season or raid rolled around. That said, I'm not sure I like the changes made to the game with regards to low level BGs. I'm not a fan of epic mounts in BGs - they change the game dramatically. I can see why WSG's being changed to a 20 minute game, but I'm not sure it's a major improvement.
I do think that most 'decent' twinks that quit will do so over these changes rather than having to actually fight other twinks.

[rgirty]

Mark me down as saying this right now.

Twinkers are going to be pissed after a week or two of leveling the BG playing field.

Despite what they say the real reason people twink is to dominate the non twinks and give themselves a feeling of superiority.

As far as end game raiding vs BG's:

For me, end game raiding is all about teamwork, communication and strategy.

While I know there are pre-formed BG teams that do emphasize these things most BG's are every man for himself type of events that are more or less like playing an xbox in an FPS.

Players who like to solo, don't care about teamwork or social interaction enjoy bg's more from my experience. I've been in a guild with a guy for 3 years, we talk all the time. I raid 3-5 nights a week and have only ever seen him in a handful of raids, yet he does hundreds of bg's a week. For the reasons i listed above.

[Renata]

I have a couple of twinks and I am super-happy about this change. The reason I even have a couple of twinks (one in the 19 level, one in the 29 level) is that I like doing the BGs at low levels, but was tired of being immediately flattened by enemy twinks I couldn't even DENT with decent, normal gear for my level. I was tired of going into battlegrounds and being screamed at by other players on my own side about how I needed to get out of "their" battleground because I "only" had green gear. I didn't do it to squash kittens with bricks; I did it as a self-defense move against other twinks.

But I didn't actually end up playing them long, because I got bored with it. The reason? Once the enemy twinks found they couldn't kill me instantly, they avoided engaging with me and just went after other players. I could spend the rest of the battleground trying to chase them down for one or two encounters. Killing players who weren't twinks was no longer any kind of challenge. So, I was surviving, but it wasn't that much fun anymore.

I don't even bother taking my other toons into battlegrounds, and that's a pity. I am leveling up a human warrior for fun and I'd love to take her into BGs, but I won't because I'm not going to be in there so some overgeared twink can camp me in my own GY.

So if twinks want to play that game, they can either level out like the rest of us, or stop their xp and play the other twinks. And if they do the latter, if they have to wait in queues, so be it. That's the game they want to play -- let them, and if it gets inconvenient for them, I guess I don't really care.

...Ren

[Tort]

Mark me down as saying this right now.

Twinkers are going to be pissed after a week or two of leveling the BG playing field.

Despite what they say the real reason people twink is to dominate the non twinks and give themselves a feeling of superiority.

As far as end game raiding vs BG's:

For me, end game raiding is all about teamwork, communication and strategy.

While I know there are pre-formed BG teams that do emphasize these things most BG's are every man for himself type of events that are more or less like playing an xbox in an FPS.

Players who like to solo, don't care about teamwork or social interaction enjoy bg's more from my experience. I've been in a guild with a guy for 3 years, we talk all the time. I raid 3-5 nights a week and have only ever seen him in a handful of raids, yet he does hundreds of bg's a week. For the reasons i listed above.

Give me a break. I have a twink. I also have a level 80 main toon, in full Ulduar 25 man gear who raids three times a week. I enjoy solo play on my twink and I enjoy raiding with my friends on my main. I enjoy running around alone, killing both twinks and non-twinks in BGs (thats kinda the point of a battleground, isn't it?) and I enjoy working as a team in raids, spending hours at a time working on a single hard mode. In other words, your huge generalization that all twinks are introverts with superiority complexes doesn't really work.

Yes, I probably will be pissed after the next patch and will probably stop playing my twink. Not because I hate fighting other twinks, but because I don't have the time to wait 2 hours to get into a 20 minute WSG. I would much rather spend that time leveling my new toon or working on my main.

[clevins]

tort,

Assume the queues are short. Would you still play your twink when you can't dominate the other players because of a huge gear advantage? Most of us think that most twinks won't because they've twinked *in order* to easily kill regularly geared players.

The thing is queue times are a reflection of two things... population and interest. If there's high interest but low pop, queue times will be long. Same if there's high pop but low interest. If most twinks say "I'll be there in a twink on twink match!" but the queues are long either 1) there aren't many twinks in that battlegroup or 2) they don't want to face other twinks.

[rgirty]

Yes, I probably will be pissed after the next patch and will probably stop playing my twink. Not because I hate fighting other twinks, but because I don't have the time to wait 2 hours to get into a 20 minute WSG. I would much rather spend that time leveling my new toon or working on my main.

Certainly every single twink out there can't be lumped under one general assumption, but until someone proves me wrong I am going to stick with my statement.

TLDR version or twink motto is/should be:

"If I can't dominate, I won't participate"

I refer to the person who posted earlier in the thread that every twink he meets in a bg runs from his equally geared twink and that if he bg's with a char in greens he is corpse camped in the graveyard.

If you really, really want to play your twink and if people who twink don't have the attitude that I described there won't be 2 hour que times. If there is, they won't care and they'll play anyway.

Might as well call this patch "the end of the twink" Not because of the ability to turn off xp, but because of the playing field being leveled and said twinks being forced to battle others of near or same gear level.

If i'm wrong, we'll know. If i'm right, we'll know. Only time will tell.

[Mistro]

"Twinks" are people too! :grin: Its just one of many playstyles. As people, we each have our own code of ethics, goals, and reasons for playing a game, and this includes our subset playstyles in WoW.

The reason I even have a couple of twinks, is that I like doing the BGs at low levels, but was tired of being immediately flattened by enemy twinks I couldn't even DENT with decent, normal gear for my level. I didn't do it to squash kittens with bricks; I did it as a self-defense move against other twinks.

But I didn't actually end up playing them long, because I got bored with it. The reason? Once the enemy twinks found they couldn't kill me instantly, they avoided engaging with me and just went after other players. I could spend the rest of the battleground trying to chase them down for one or two encounters. Killing players who weren't twinks was no longer any kind of challenge. So, I was surviving, but it wasn't that much fun anymore.

So if twinks want to play that game, they can either level out like the rest of us, or stop their xp and play the other twinks. And if they do the latter, if they have to wait in queues, so be it. That's the game they want to play -- let them, and if it gets inconvenient for them, I guess I don't really care.


This snipet I relate to very much and 100% agree. My cousin got me into twinking after getting facerolled quite a bit right before the Spirit of Competition event (I’m an avid pet collector as well, my 35 druid has 51 pets now, at the time he was my highest level char and made the trip all the way to Netherstorm to buy the pets there). I’m hardly ever at max level either(my current highest is 74, next highest that isn’t a DK is 36), and I’m a crafter, not a raider. I also enjoy the challenge of having limited spells, it changes the way certain classes work, and you come to appreciate your class/profession in a way that you might not otherwise notice. Consumables also play a more important role, such as frost protection potion or magic dust.

In my twink playstyle, I am there to defend my side against the other’s twinks. I don’t attack or specifically seek out low levels or non-twinks, but I don’t hesitate to kill them if necessary (such as the random lvl 21 rogue that attacks me). I do very much enjoy twink on twink combat, I’ve even rolled characters on their realm/faction to send them mail (Hey there, this is x, nice match today in WSG, hope to see you again). This new announcement makes me very happy and I hope it gets as much attention for the low level BGs as the Spirit of Competition event (or maybe slightly less, seeing 600+ WSG matches was crazy).

As for what I will do once this goes live, I plan to level an alt or two in PvP, and re-gear my Twink. There are more options open now since you can finish more quests, as well we can enjoy exploration, events, and leveling professions without worry. Wait times on matches shouldn’t be too much of a problem for me at least, if they are long I can just que and go gather some ore or herbs. I generally gear my alts well for PvE, a few blues here and there, max enchants if they’re affordable, as well as maxed professions (I’m a crafter after all, maxing out my professions and getting to the next tier is my leveling drive!), so the only difference between them and a twink would probably be the above level quest gear (which usually makes up about ~3 slots on a twink depending on the level/class).

All in all, I’m loving this patch.

[Tort]

tort,

Assume the queues are short. Would you still play your twink when you can't dominate the other players because of a huge gear advantage? Most of us think that most twinks won't because they've twinked *in order* to easily kill regularly geared players.

I don't doubt that some (maybe even most) people twink in order to one shot non-twinks. When I'm on my twink, I kill both twinks and non-twinks. I don't go out of my way to kill non twinks but if they are in my way, guarding a flag or attacking me, then of course I will attack them. I generally find and attack other twinks though. So yes, if the queues remain low, I'll still play.

I just don't really understand the concept of hating a player because he likes to kill players in a place where you are supposed to kill other players. Its not like twinks roam around the world insta-killing other players. A twink is really just a pvper who takes his game more seriously than others. Is it ok to hate a raider with the very best gear, just because he is able to clear current content and you aren't?

[clevins]

It's because twinks unbalance the BG using gear that no new player can. If someone is truly new to WoW or doesn't have a max level toon to fund a twink, they're screwed.

In contrast, raiders are all max level so pretty much anyone can decide to raid, gear up and get close to the best gear but a level 19 or 29 can't match a twink's gearing since the twink does things that usually cost several hundred to several thousand gold. So, yes, the goal is to kill other players but the idea of brackets is to keep the matches somewhat fair. Having a twink is like having a much higher toon in the lower bracket.

[waflob]

I like knowing that the effort I put in won't suddenly be nixed, just because the new arena season or raid rolled around.
That's what I thought, until they suddenly added level requirements to my twink's enchants.

[dgrampa]

I will be laughing at all the anti-twinks when the twink BGs are popping every 5 minutes and the XP BGs are *cricket cricket* dead. All the twinks you hate so much were keeping your precious low level BGs alive.

Real twinks don't do it to dominate poorly geared scrubs, no matter how many there are. There is no challenge to that and if you say so, you are giving real twinks a bad name. There is no challenge to taking one maxed twink rogue or hunter to shred a full 10 man team of scrubs.

Real twinking is about obtaining the best possible gear for your level, something you cannot do with end game. By the time you collect the best possible gear at 80, a new patch is out with better gear. So when you lose a BG/arena at 80, you can always blame your loss on the other team's better gear. You have no option to cop out like that in the twink brackets. If you have the best possible gear and you lose, it is because the other player/team was better than you, no excuses.

Good bye, scrub QQ, good riddance. Hopefully Blizzard can merge enough servers to sustain your low level XP brackets so I don't have to hear your QQ about 4 hour queue times now.

[clevins]

Ah dgrampa - if that's true you should LOVE this change. LOVE IT. You'll get to show your skill off against people you can't one-shot.

Oh and why do you think regular 19s and 29s didn't participate you? Maybe BECAUSE arrogant jerks like you were oneshotting them and then calling them scrubs? Reread your post and you'll get why we dislike twink so much.

[dgrampa]

Ah dgrampa - if that's true you should LOVE this change. LOVE IT. You'll get to show your skill off against people you can't one-shot.

Oh and why do you think regular 19s and 29s didn't participate you? Maybe BECAUSE arrogant jerks like you were oneshotting them and then calling them scrubs? Reread your post and you'll get why we dislike twink so much.


Post #6 my friend. If that doesn't make it painfully clear to you that I DO love this change, I don't know what else to tell you.

Dislike twinks all you want. Dislike me all you want, too. Just don't tell me the way I like to play the game is wrong. Don't lump me into the same category as idiots who like to bully new players. Maybe try to realize that every single person who plays WoW might play it in some slightly different way than everyone else. As long as they abide by Blizzard's rules, who are you to say something is or isn't fair?

[rgirty]

Real twinking is about obtaining the best possible gear for your level, something you cannot do with end game. By the time you collect the best possible gear at 80, a new patch is out with better gear.

This simply isn't true. There are multiple players who are equipped with BiS gear now. There were many players equipped with BiS gear pre-wotlk/pre-bc.

Are they few and far between? Yes they are. Does it take a lot of time and effort? Yes it does.

The difference between a raider wearing BiS and a full on twink is that the raider needed the assistance and teamwork of a large number of people where twinks usually just require a main with gold, or a high level friend.

I'm not knocking twinking, however people want to enjoy the game inside the rules is fine with me.

However I do believe that the majority (just my belief) of twinkers do it so that they can dominate folks with lesser gear.

Time will give us the answer.

[Twoflower]

I will be laughing at all the anti-twinks when the twink BGs are popping every 5 minutes and the XP BGs are *cricket cricket* dead. All the twinks you hate so much were keeping your precious low level BGs alive.

I realy hope this will become true.

While i never had a twink and hated pvp in general, i always had respect for people who put that much effort and research into twinks. It used to be a art rather than a cheap way to dominate.

I fear that splitting the crowd in half will have a realy negative impact on low lvl bg's. But i hope i am proven wrong ^^

[Aerath]

This simply isn't true. There are multiple players who are equipped with BiS gear now. There were many players equipped with BiS gear pre-wotlk/pre-bc.

And how many of those did so without the effort of another person, or even another group of people?

[Rulca]

Another question regarding this - is this xp gain for the specific player or the whole team?

If it is player specific then I predict the bully boy twinks will still be in with the leveling guys but not capping/returning flags or completing objectives that reward xp...........just hanging around midfield killing people.

I think I may be getting more cynical the more I play the game, but this I see happening.

Imagine a beautiful day. A fetid mist hangs low over Arathi Basin, making it annoyingly hard to see. My low level holy priest is guarding the farm from those nasty Alliance folks...(She guards alone, as the rest had taken the bs and mine, and finding no opposition, had immediately gotten adhd and scampered off to the stables leaving no other defense - but perhaps I shouldn't share our super-secret-Horde-war-strategies?) :wink:

I stretch, wave at a rotting field hand and look over my pretty new robe *BAM* twinked nelf rogue takes me out from behind.

I rez, see nothing, he's gone? And the flag hasn't been flipped so I'm still defending, yay! Why surely this is my priests lucky day!

Wrong! *BAM* again!

I could see myself getting ganked again and again until some non-twinked dwarf paladin finally ambles by and flips the flag, thus enraging me thoroughly. :smiley:

And as you say, in WSG, they'd just hang out mid-field ignoring the flag completely.

(To be clear, I love the changes to pvp they're proposing - I may just level my next few characters through bg's!) :smiley:

[rgirty]

And how many of those did so without the effort of another person, or even another group of people?

None, I made a statement about teamwork in my post.

[Aerath]

Then it'd be fairly hard to accomplish solo, wouldn't it, unlike twinking? Some people do enjoy reaching the end of the line as it were, without having to wait on 24 others that hopefully don't fail or outroll/bid them.

[rgirty]

Then it'd be fairly hard to accomplish solo, wouldn't it, unlike twinking? Some people do enjoy reaching the end of the line as it were, without having to wait on 24 others that hopefully don't fail or outroll/bid them.

And some people rejoice at team accomplishment and are actually happy when someone other than themselves get an upgrade or a new piece of loot.

I realize people like to solo, even people who play a M*mo such as wow. One only needs to view console sales over the years for further evidence (although with all the live services it seems that is moving in the Mmo direction as well)

[Aerath]

Sure. But if there's nothing left to do with your char other than dailies, WG or Raiding, there's precious little advancement one can do solo. In the end, any MMO is about advancing your character through new shiny pixels or higher stats. When you are stuck and need a group of 9/24 others to do so, people seek a distraction in solo accomplishments.

[rgirty]

Sure. But if there's nothing left to do with your char other than dailies, WG or Raiding, there's precious little advancement one can do solo. In the end, any MMO is about advancing your character through new shiny pixels or higher stats. When you are stuck and need a group of 9/24 others to do so, people seek a distraction in solo accomplishments.


Typically i try to help others but that is just me :D

[Wintrow]

Typically i try to help others but that is just me :D

Blasphemy !! :tongue:

[odinsnephew]

And some people rejoice at team accomplishment and are actually happy when someone other than themselves get an upgrade or a new piece of loot.

I realize people like to solo, even people who play a M*mo such as wow. One only needs to view console sales over the years for further evidence (although with all the live services it seems that is moving in the Mmo direction as well)

I agree with you and also what Aerath said. Believe me the sense of achievement (no pun intended) is just the same for the battleground players to win that amazing battle as to knock that dungeon boss down :)

And to add to your point regarding loot - my alliance Priest is level 38. A random drop occurred for another guild member who I tbh I hardly know. It was the staff of Jordan, the epic staff mostly used by caster 39 twinks.

He just gave it to me. Just like that. Oh and he put 40 spellpower on it too.

I almost love him lol :grin:

[rgirty]

Blasphemy !! :tongue:

Apparently, or at least to some.

[Allstar]

This may be an old thread but i bumped across it and I just had to comment on all the hilarious things being said in this thread.

Twinks twink to destroy non twinks. Any twinks who claim otherwise are flat out lying. Just like the guy earlier who likes to think hes Mike Tyson and punching out 'scrubs'. The real 'scrubs' are nerdy brats who spend hours and thousands of gold (doing something that is not even hard to do just time consuming) to make a twink (and rofl a rogue at level 19 has what like 3 buttons useful in pvp?) and 99% of the them are rogues and hunters because they are stupidly faceroll easy to twink and kill non twinks with.


This patch is the end of twinking and good riddance. I gotta love the guy who's hopelessly grasping at straws that our 'xp bg's won't have enough people - are you completely retarded? you know how many people would love to level with bg's alone? and how many other thousands don't even play bg's anymore because you moron twinks have ruined them completely?

I hate twinks. I made a 19 twink and it took all of 2-3 days and it got boring in all of 2 hours. These are the same kids who use gameshark codes and maphacks and whatever they can to gain an unfair advantage in a game. Because they can't make up for it in skill. Are there skilled twinks? sure, theres a few... they are VERY few and far between however in my experience.

I do find it ironic the name of this thread Twinks Rejoice - I'd imagine most twinks are crying in the basement right now

Mommy i can't 2 shot people who are levelling up with my toon that is now worthless :(


the queue's that are gonna get long are the xp off bg's i hate to break it to you twink noobs :( the twinks are gonna get extremely bored running around beating on each other with their 2 buttons and people not dying.

[Mistro]

Twinks twink to destroy non twinks. Any twinks who claim otherwise are flat out lying. Just like the guy earlier who likes to think hes Mike Tyson and punching out 'scrubs'. The real 'scrubs' are nerdy brats who spend hours and thousands of gold (doing something that is not even hard to do just time consuming) to make a twink.

I made a 19 twink and it took all of 2-3 days and it got boring in all of 2 hours. These are the same kids who use gameshark codes and maphacks and whatever they can to gain an unfair advantage in a game. Because they can't make up for it in skill. Are there skilled twinks? sure, theres a few... they are VERY few and far between however in my experience.

So, wait... Yeah, self-explanatory, not touching that.



This patch is the end of twinking and good riddance. I gotta love the guy who's hopelessly grasping at straws that our 'xp bg's won't have enough people - are you completely retarded? you know how many people would love to level with bg's alone? and how many other thousands don't even play bg's anymore because you moron twinks have ruined them completely?

The true core group of "twinks" (i.e. players who remain at a certain level, for whatever reason [not limited to this game, not always PvP oriented]) are no longer bound to only PvP, we can enjoy PvE as well. On the PTR there has been a group of 5 19's that downed Gnomeregan. There is also a mass-migration planned for some, just incase que times become long on normal servers.

The possibilites are much greater now than any other time for twinks, but perhaps hatred has blinded you or you are not meant for a twinking lifestyle. Either way, perhaps now you could appreciate twinks if you meet one on a run through a dungeons, we have quite a few players that spec healers and are quite experienced

[dgrampa]

This may be an old thread but i bumped across it and I just had to comment on all the hilarious things being said in this thread.

Twinks twink to destroy non twinks. Any twinks who claim otherwise are flat out lying. Just like the guy earlier who likes to think hes Mike Tyson and punching out 'scrubs'. The real 'scrubs' are nerdy brats who spend hours and thousands of gold (doing something that is not even hard to do just time consuming) to make a twink (and rofl a rogue at level 19 has what like 3 buttons useful in pvp?) and 99% of the them are rogues and hunters because they are stupidly faceroll easy to twink and kill non twinks with.


This patch is the end of twinking and good riddance. I gotta love the guy who's hopelessly grasping at straws that our 'xp bg's won't have enough people - are you completely retarded? you know how many people would love to level with bg's alone? and how many other thousands don't even play bg's anymore because you moron twinks have ruined them completely?

I hate twinks. I made a 19 twink and it took all of 2-3 days and it got boring in all of 2 hours. These are the same kids who use gameshark codes and maphacks and whatever they can to gain an unfair advantage in a game. Because they can't make up for it in skill. Are there skilled twinks? sure, theres a few... they are VERY few and far between however in my experience.

I do find it ironic the name of this thread Twinks Rejoice - I'd imagine most twinks are crying in the basement right now

Mommy i can't 2 shot people who are levelling up with my toon that is now worthless :(


the queue's that are gonna get long are the xp off bg's i hate to break it to you twink noobs :( the twinks are gonna get extremely bored running around beating on each other with their 2 buttons and people not dying.

Sweeping generalizations FTL. I hope your 2nd post here is a little more 'thought out' and a little less ignorant. Or perhaps you really believe you know the exact mindset of every single WoW player?

[rgirty]

Sweeping generalizations FTL. I hope your 2nd post here is a little more 'thought out' and a little less ignorant. Or perhaps you really believe you know the exact mindset of every single WoW player?

Should be obvious that he is simply stating his opinion and predicting what will come, while the language is rather strong in a few months we'll know if he's right or wrong.

[Allstar]

Lol... just because there's exceptions to a rule doesn't mean its not a standard. So why do you twink if its not to destroy undergeared people? I love the made up reasons you guys come up with.. as far as twinks in instances ... what lol most of them are newbies who need roll everything. We don't need you in battlegrounds or in dungeons, thank you very much.

Enjoy beating on each other with your 3 buttons and thinking you are good because you farmed gear nobody cares to take the time or effort to for a stupid level like 19-29-39-49-59-69-79.

Update: so I'm levelling a new alt with my dad who's decided he enjoys playing wow in his retirement for something to do. We are level 66. We decide what the heck, lets try a bg... and a level 69 ret pally (big surprise its a ret noob that has to faceroll 2 buttons lol) is running around with level 69 blue wotlk gear and literally 1 shotting everyone.

so now my dad thinks this is how pvp is supposed to be and that this game is pretty stupid. He's half right. The 3.2 patch can't come fast enough. What I really think will happen is twinks will find a way to still twink and stay in brackets for long periods. (Avoiding objectives maybe) because there will always be that group of people who can't hack it end game when the playing field is more level and want the unfair advantage quickly and easily


fyi twinks you can get a pretty unfair advantage at 80 if you gear up like everyone else does vs new 80s (a common argument twinks have, too bad it works both ways) but you don't want to do this because it takes alot more time, effort, and skill.

[rgirty]

What I really think will happen is twinks will find a way to still twink and stay in brackets for long periods.

Did you miss the part where folks will be able to turn off xp gain, completely?

I'm thinking you must have.

[Allstar]

Did you miss the part where if they do they only play people who also do?



I'm thinking you must have.

[dgrampa]

I'm sorry you and your father got rolled in a BG. But that doesn't mean you should blame others for it. Why not look at the fact that he was 3 levels lower than the other guy, and probably wearing garbage gear? If you want to be competetive at PvP you have to put in the effort. You can't just stroll in and expect everyone to be equal. This is a gear based game.

[rgirty]

Did you miss the part where if they do they only play people who also do?



I'm thinking you must have.

Only in relation to the validity of the statement that twinks only want to dominate.

If they have xp gain on and are avoiding leveling, then the statement has merit.

If they have xp gain off and playing others who also have it off, then the statements you have made here can go out the window.

Only time will tell if twinks truly want a level playing field, there are people in both camps.

BTW your attitude/posting behavior is much more suited to the officials than to this forum. Since you are on post #3, I thought I might comment that people here aren't nearly as aggressive as you are in your posts and in fact have some respect for other posters.

You might want to consider that when posting here.

[Mistro]

So why do you twink if its not to destroy undergeared people? I love the made up reasons you guys come up with.

My personal reasons are in previous pages of the thread. Many wars have been fought over "made up reasons", take the crusades for example, a few deem those as "made up reasons". Your opinion that they are false is just as worthy as those that state they are true, but no one knows the answer without proof.

what lol most of them are newbies who need roll everything.

Who is a newbie? I thought you said people need thousands of gold to twink?or perhaps you mean the other people wanting to run instances, they seem more likely to be newbies.

We don't need you in battlegrounds or in dungeons, thank you very much.

You want less experienced people with sub-par gear in your BGs and Dungeons over people with the best gear and lots of experience? or do you just want an 80 to run you through?

Enjoy beating on each other with your 3 buttons and thinking you are good because you farmed gear nobody cares to take the time or effort to for a stupid level like 19-29-39-49-59-69-79.

Wait, 3 buttons? I must be playing wrong since I use a full set of action bars... Maybe thats why you "got bored" of your 19 twink. Now you're accusing us of taking "time or effort" to farm for gear? I thought you said:

you can get a pretty unfair advantage at 80 if you gear up like everyone else does vs new 80s, but you don't want to do this because it takes alot more time, effort, and skill.

You don't want to gear up to PvP/dungeon run at lower levels either, even though it takes "time and effort" you covet at 80 as well (I'm guessing the skill you mention is in getting to 80? Nah)? Doesn't that defeat the point? I guess that is what you mean by "a common argument twinks have, too bad it works both ways".

a level 69 ret pally is running around with level 69 blue wotlk gear and literally 1 shotting everyone.

Last expansion this wasn't ok? Some people still have only the BC expansion, would it be ok if they had lvl 69 blue BC items? What if it was a lvl 79 in purple gear in the 70-79 bracket?

What I really think will happen is twinks will find a way to still twink and stay in brackets for long periods

What if they do? Why does it matter if they stay in that bracket while you're leveling? What about people who gear up and level in the BGs, following you forever, haunting you as they camp you in your GY? Conspiracy and black magic I say!

there will always be that group of people who can't hack it end game when the playing field is more level and want the unfair advantage quickly and easily

I don't even see a point in this sentence, just a base attempt at an insult. The playing field is hardly ever fair, some classes are "rock, paper, scissors", others are "wtfpwn", and some are quite wimpy (till the next patch and they become uber!). Such is the way of the game, balance is just moving from one end of the scale to the other, but just avoiding an outright fall.

My advice is to roll with the punches, gear up, get the correct "3 buttons", and quit blaming your shortcomings on people who are just better in gear, skill, or time wasting. That, or quit PvPing for your own good.

[waflob]

This may be an old thread but i bumped across it and I just had to troll.

Fixed it for you ...

[Clavina]

Welcome to the forums Allstar. If you wish your stay to be a pleasant one then you will troll less and phrase your posts with no flaming or insulting. This isn't the official forums.

[Amra]

I've been running a lot of bg's lately (30's bracket). While I've seen plenty of twinks dominate other players, they often don't win the game. Maybe they don't care. But I'd rather win the game then fret over combat. Sure, it's nice to face off against other players and all that. But 50% of it (at least) is being a smart player rather than a well geared one.

Might as well call this patch "the end of the twink" Not because of the ability to turn off xp, but because of the playing field being leveled and said twinks being forced to battle others of near or same gear level.
Not necessarily true. Unless I missed something, non-twinks can still turn off xp and get into the fray. So twinks can still fight those of lower level and with inferior gear.

[Mistro]

'Tis possible of course. It seems unlikely though, maybe for those who want an extra challenge, or those after a full set of the spec oriented class PvP gear Blizz has mentioned (for a future patch, it would come from a chest at the end of a match, most likely) before moving on to the next bracket. I can't remember if they mentioned it being for all BG brackets or not, but it seems possible given the change with exp in the first place.

edit:
Will rewards of some sort for winning a Battleground match be available?

Cory Stockton: Battleground rewards are high on the list of features that we would like to get in the game. We are not planning to implement this for patch 3.2.0 but we are currently working on it and expect to implement it into a future patch. We are planning to let players roll on mostly greens and the occasional blue item at the end of each Battleground. These items will be highly optimized by class, level, and talent specialization.

So yeah, looks like people will probably go after this.