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having looked at one of the websites that does this, I do like it as a means of self-evaluation in the same way 'be imba' was - to possibly see what level of instance you could be capable of, but of course that isn't how most people use it
I've seen people use gearscore requirements as a minimum for forming pug ToGCs, and honestly that isn't something I'd want to pug ever, so it still isn't looking like a useful resource to me
Just for curiosity's sake, I installed GearScore and it does seem to have one helpful function, one that I would use. It tells you (when you're comparing two pieces of gear and deciding which to buy or equip) which of the two has a higher gear score. That seems to me to be its only useful function, other than using it to reject other players. Incidentally, I've uninstalled it, though. It's not something I want to support in any way.
From what I gather, GearScore only adds the ilevels of the items together, which is a feature you can enable in WoW itself. (The showing of ilevel that is - you still have to do the comparison yourself.)
That said, I could switch in several higher ilevel items that'd significantly drop my DPS. As an example, I'm already way over hitcap with no way to avoid it. Equipping another, higher ilevel trinket, for example, would make me look better on GearScore. It'd also do completely nothing for me in terms of my DPS. Item Level is not the end all and be all - you still have to make the decisions yourself and sometimes 'crappier' items are actually better than the imba gear GearScore junkies are after.
From what I gather, GearScore only adds the ilevels of the items together, which is a feature you can enable in WoW itself. (The showing of ilevel that is - you still have to do the comparison yourself.)
That said, I could switch in several higher ilevel items that'd significantly drop my DPS. As an example, I'm already way over hitcap with no way to avoid it. Equipping another, higher ilevel trinket, for example, would make me look better on GearScore. It'd also do completely nothing for me in terms of my DPS. Item Level is not the end all and be all - you still have to make the decisions yourself and sometimes 'crappier' items are actually better than the imba gear GearScore junkies are after.
It's a bit uncomfortable, just having it installed. Accidentally pass your cursor over another character while playing, and zot! you've got his GearScore. It was funny in SW, looking at a level 5 and seeing his, but for me it seemed very intrusive. I know we all inspect each other (even those who deny ever doing it) but that too is intrusive. And I very rarely do it unless I'm wanting to know just what is that spectacular weapon he's carrying or the like.
It's a bit uncomfortable, just having it installed. Accidentally pass your cursor over another character while playing, and zot! you've got his GearScore. It was funny in SW, looking at a level 5 and seeing his, but for me it seemed very intrusive. I know we all inspect each other (even those who deny ever doing it) but that too is intrusive. And I very rarely do it unless I'm wanting to know just what is that spectacular weapon he's carrying or the like.
When I'm healing for anything, I always look at the tank initially or ask him what his GS is. And here's why. You know by now I hate wasting time. A few night ago I logged on my Priest to heal for roic HoL as it was the daily - an instance I've yet to do with my preist and was going to get the achievement as well the tailoring achievement + recipe :P
I got the invite to the group and a DK was supposely going to be the tank. Clearly his 22K HP was a bit concerning. I could not "get" his GS for some reason so I asked him what it was followed by what was his Defense at? Another member of the Pug told me he was "all good as tank"... really??? So I then asked "22K? Are you in dps gear?" He responded back saying he was in tanking gear and was at max def cap.
So, at this point I felt like /kick myself out of the pug but had to see wtf if he knew what he was talking about. I got to the instance on my own accord and went right to him hovering my mouse over him with a GS of 2670... Click on him and inspected him... He had no Defense gear on the right hand column of his character sheet and had mostly greens with @#$%ing spell power and Int stats!!!!!!!!!!! Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Some people really need a slap up side the head. If you don't know by level 80 how to play the game let alone spec, cap, etc... and lie about it... [edit]
I told the group before any pulls that this was going to be a fail group because the tank was brutal and I refused to heal someone so unknowingly about the game. I asked him what he thought a def cap was... no response. So I left the group and wished them God on their side.
That to me is the wasting time factor. I usually get really decent players in pugs.
Just for curiosity's sake, I installed GearScore and it does seem to have one helpful function, one that I would use. It tells you (when you're comparing two pieces of gear and deciding which to buy or equip) which of the two has a higher gear score. That seems to me to be its only useful function, other than using it to reject other players. Incidentally, I've uninstalled it, though. It's not something I want to support in any way.
how is that useful at all? just know your class and what stats you need from your gear
and you don't need an add-on to see that 22k hp tank is just going to get you killed
how is that useful at all? just know your class and what stats you need from your gear
and you don't need an add-on to see that 22k hp tank is just going to get you killed
common sense wins, gearscore is pointless
Hey, I didn't say I admired or liked it or even that I thought it worthwhile. I only installed it to see what exactly it did ingame. Then I uninstalled it. It's hard sometimes to see what an addon actually does without installing it. And what I mentioned seemed to be the only 'sort of' reasonable use, that's all.
how is that useful at all? just know your class and what stats you need from your gear
and you don't need an add-on to see that 22k hp tank is just going to get you killed
common sense wins, gearscore is pointless
and I find this a little sad, because once upon a time, when the expansion came out, tank health was commonly that low and instances went fine.
Gear has really spoiled people, and it's amazing to see people trying to gearscore people for heroic instances. raids, maybe, but you can do heroics straight out of 80.
of course, it's good to know how to play your class, but we've all been there once -- and gear score isn't going to show you whether someone knows how to play or not, but only whether or not someone has high ilvl gear.
of course, it's good to know how to play your class, but we've all been there once -- and gear score isn't going to show you whether someone knows how to play or not, but only whether or not someone has high ilvl gear.
And THAT'S what I've trying to get across in this conversation (me and a few others, to be honest). There is NO ADDON that will tell you how good someone can play their class or how quick someone picks up on a new strategy/boss tactic or how good someone is at supporting other players and helping out where needed.
I've done the Twin Val'kyr fight for the first time ever last night in ToC25. I've NEVER seen that fight before, but the RL decided to let me help and explained the tactics to me short and quick. I did the fight and GOT IT. In fact, out of all the people present I was ONE OF THE LAST PEOPLE TO DIE in the wipes we endured before we got the hang of the fight.
Now, would I have been invited if that RL had used GS? NO. Simply because my gear is still not totally up to par according to the hopeless, elitist noobs that try to use that addon to make themselves feel better. But they would have missed out on someone who's willing to learn, who learns quickly AND, above all, doesn't mind a few wipes (which seems to be quite a feat nowadays, since people leave after one or two wipes).
So, GS-users, who would you rather have: a l33t character that has the appropriate GS according to some random number list but either leaves after two wipes or fails to understand tactics or doesn't know how to play? Or someone like me, who's still learning, but gives her all to help advance the raid and doesn't mind a steep learning curve?
And THAT'S what I've trying to get across in this conversation (me and a few others, to be honest). There is NO ADDON that will tell you how good someone can play their class or how quick someone picks up on a new strategy/boss tactic or how good someone is at supporting other players and helping out where needed.
I've done the Twin Val'kyr fight for the first time ever last night in ToC25. I've NEVER seen that fight before, but the RL decided to let me help and explained the tactics to me short and quick. I did the fight and GOT IT. In fact, out of all the people present I was ONE OF THE LAST PEOPLE TO DIE in the wipes we endured before we got the hang of the fight.
Now, would I have been invited if that RL had used GS? NO. Simply because my gear is still not totally up to par according to the hopeless, elitist noobs that try to use that addon to make themselves feel better. But they would have missed out on someone who's willing to learn, who learns quickly AND, above all, doesn't mind a few wipes (which seems to be quite a feat nowadays, since people leave after one or two wipes).
So, GS-users, who would you rather have: a l33t character that has the appropriate GS according to some random number list but either leaves after two wipes or fails to understand tactics or doesn't know how to play? Or someone like me, who's still learning, but gives her all to help advance the raid and doesn't mind a steep learning curve?
I know who I'd rather have. And it's someone like you. A real human being who may have a few frailties but is reasonable and wants to do her best and learn. Nobody's perfect right away, few of us are ever perfect at all. I know this is a game, a virtual experience, but hey, where did the 'people getting along with people' aspect go?
and I find this a little sad, because once upon a time, when the expansion came out, tank health was commonly that low and instances went fine.
Gear has really spoiled people, and it's amazing to see people trying to gearscore people for heroic instances. raids, maybe, but you can do heroics straight out of 80.
of course, it's good to know how to play your class, but we've all been there once -- and gear score isn't going to show you whether someone knows how to play or not, but only whether or not someone has high ilvl gear.
my warrior had 24-26k when he first hit 80
my druid had 30k when he first hit 80
I'M A SNOB
carrying undergeared newbie 80s isn't my idea of a good time, ofc I will be doing it plenty to get my perky pug soon!
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