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Old 11-04-2004, 10:14 PM   #1
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Pro-life/ pro-choice. Weigh in.

I posted this in another thread but here goes.

My basic thoughts on a fetus.
Until it gets born it is 100% dependant on its mother for its continued existance. If she stopped giving it oxygen or blood for a few seconds it would die. However harsh that sounds the point is that right now we only have two main points where the state of the fetus changes. At conception it changes from a possibility into an actual fetus. At birth it changes from a parasite to a self-supporting organism.

The question is simply at which point do you make the rights of the baby equal to the rights of the parent. My vote is for the second one.
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Old 11-04-2004, 10:18 PM   #2
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i'll just go on record now as saying im pro-choice (big huge shocker huh? lol)
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Old 11-04-2004, 10:19 PM   #3
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Why is a 7 month from conception born prematurely more important than while in still the mother womb? the first is protected by law, not the second.
And an infant is still totally dependent on others but its caretaker cant kill it.
Why should you be allowed to kill your unborn baby but notyour 5 day old baby? You shouldnt be able to kill either IMHO.

I'm very pro-life unless the woman will die without an abortion, ie baby in tubes, dunno the way to spell so not trying.
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Old 11-04-2004, 10:22 PM   #4
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Why is a 7 month from conception born prematurely more important than while in still the mother womb? the first is protected by law, not the second.
And an infant is still totally dependent on others but its caretaker cant kill it.
Why should you be allowed to kill your unborn baby but notyour 5 day old baby? You shouldnt be able to kill either IMHO.

I'm very pro-life unless the woman will die without an abortion, ie baby in tubes, dunno the way to spell so not trying.
well I think the question is when are they alive? Also I think its always silly that men argue this topic when it is not us having the children. If you were going to have to go through the tremendous amount of pain that is childbirth you may have a different point of view.

There are often many pregnancies that are not wanted (****, molestation) should that mother be forced to carry that child to term?

If she is not forced to carry a child to term then why should a woman who accidently got pregnaunt have to have her child if she chooses not to?
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Old 11-04-2004, 10:26 PM   #5
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Why is a 7 month from conception born prematurely more important than while in still the mother womb? the first is protected by law, not the second.
And an infant is still totally dependent on others but its caretaker cant kill it.
Why should you be allowed to kill your unborn baby but notyour 5 day old baby? You shouldnt be able to kill either IMHO.

I'm very pro-life unless the woman will die without an abortion, ie baby in tubes, dunno the way to spell so not trying.
I was 9 weeks early and I can say that if I had never been born I wouldn't have cared because I had no capacity to care.

Once a baby is born, anyone can care for it. It can be transported into any home that wants to adopt a kid and it will survive just fine. Before the kid is born he is the complete property of the mother because whatever you do to the kid will directly affect her. You can't magicially take the kid out and give it to someone else without a major surgury.
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Old 11-04-2004, 10:28 PM   #6
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So going through pain makes something totally pointless? And the men can go through emotional pain instead of physical pain.
Say my kidney(dunno what parts are expendable) is needed by someone else and i have no use for it as i dont drink or anything, but it will hurt, so i dont give it up and they die. Is that perfectly fine?
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Old 11-04-2004, 10:30 PM   #7
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Pro-life/Pro-choice. Weigh in.
Oh hell no.
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So going through pain makes something totally pointless? And the men can go through emotional pain instead of physical pain.
Say my kidney(dunno what parts are expendable) is needed by someone else and i have no use for it as i dont drink or anything, but it will hurt, so i dont give it up and they die. Is that perfectly fine?
all I meant is that it would provide a different point of view. I'm curious if you feel that **** victims should be allowed abortions and if they are then why not everyone else?
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No, partially because of studies showing its worse for them to have an abortion, and because adoption is an option. Sure I feel sorry for them but them being wronged doesnt make it right to wrong the result of that wronging


And of course its a different point of view, but that doesnt mean men shouldnt have a say if its wrong.
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Old 11-04-2004, 10:33 PM   #10
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so what if the girl is 16? 15? you think that someone who is basically a child should have to go through childbirth? A procedure that can be fatal and that often leaves the person totally changed forever (physically as well as emtionally, I'm also curious where you heard it was better for them not to have the abortion)
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