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Old 10-06-2004, 08:03 PM   #1
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I'm surprised this isn't more controversial!

I've heard, several times now, something that seems pretty scandalous to me.

John Kerry apparently shot babies while he was in Vietnam.

And yet we're still talking about Bush's 'secret deal' to lower gas prices? What the hell? I don't know how valid this is, but I can't get over the fact that no one is paying any attention to it. Sure, Bush served in the nation guard instead of going to vietnam... but to my knowledge, he didn't shoot any babies!

Why isn't this talked about more often? If Kerry is elected, won't that make him the first American President to have shot a baby? Maybe the first to have shot an enemy civilian? I mean, sure, some of our other Presidents have made orders like "burn that Indian villiage," but can any of them say that they personally put a bullet into a human child?
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Old 10-06-2004, 08:12 PM   #2
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John Kerry was apparently VERY overzealous to the point of being called down for it. I read some stories earlier this year about him 'pacifying' Vietnamese villiages. BUT, you can't take shots at him with this ammo as the GOP, because they count on a lot of military votes. (War is an ugly, ugly business. But freedom isn't free.)

I don't like Kerry at all, but I'm not tremendously crazy about Bush either. I'm voting for Ralph Nader just so I can tell my European friends, "You know that President So-and-so? What a piece of work. I didn't vote for him, you know." ;-)
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Old 10-06-2004, 08:15 PM   #3
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I don't like Kerry at all, but I'm not tremendously crazy about Bush either. I'm voting for Ralph Nader just so I can tell my European friends, "You know that President So-and-so? What a piece of work. I didn't vote for him, you know." ;-)
Noooooooooo. A vote for Nader is essentially a vote for Bush.
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Old 10-06-2004, 08:19 PM   #4
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what booms just said. I hadn't read about kerry shooting babies, could you provide a link please? Besides Vietnam was hell we all know that... well cept bush cause daddy got him a cush job with the national guard which he may or may not have even went to.
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Old 10-06-2004, 08:24 PM   #5
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[color=yellowgreen]Here's the story:[/color]
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...-vietnam_x.htm

[color=yellowgreen]If you've seen Apocalypse Now and remember the sampan scene, then you'll find this quite familiar as it's pretty much the same situation.[/color]
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[color=#9acd32]These things tend not to be too controversial since once people understand the truth behind the comments they dismiss it. [/color]
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Old 10-06-2004, 08:32 PM   #6
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I don't like Kerry at all, but I'm not tremendously crazy about Bush either. I'm voting for Ralph Nader just so I can tell my European friends, "You know that President So-and-so? What a piece of work. I didn't vote for him, you know." ;-)
[color=yellowgreen]Ya, that'll work only so long as Kerry's elected. If Bush is elected, you voted for him.[/color]
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Old 10-06-2004, 08:38 PM   #7
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besides you know Nader won't win, you admit you don't like bush... do you consider kerry worse then bush? I know its sad to say but in this election that's what you have to ask yourself.
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Old 10-06-2004, 09:19 PM   #8
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[color=yellowgreen]Here's the story:[/color]
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...-vietnam_x.htm

[color=yellowgreen]If you've seen Apocalypse Now and remember the sampan scene, then you'll find this quite familiar as it's pretty much the same situation.[/color]
[color=#9acd32][/color]
[color=#9acd32]These things tend not to be too controversial since once people understand the truth behind the comments they dismiss it. [/color]
God, I had to wade through paragraph after paragraph telling me what a great, fantastic guy Kerry is (was) before it finally came to the part about shooting the baby, and that was dismissive and uninformative, or at best left a lot unsaid. It says that Kerry ordered "warning shots" fired into the civilians, but that the crew was caught in the confusion and all began firing. Now, the "warning shots" aren't neccesarily forgiveable, but what I really want to know is: is Kerry included in the firing? Did he join in shooting those civilians?

I think he did; he said that the child's face "would haunt him forever."

Now do we really want a haunted president?
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Old 10-06-2004, 09:26 PM   #9
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umm plauge I didn't see you offering a link to a more (in your opinon) detailed story. Please feel free but from what I read it sounded more like an accident.
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Old 10-06-2004, 09:29 PM   #10
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God, I had to wade through paragraph after paragraph telling me what a great, fantastic guy Kerry is (was) before it finally came to the part about shooting the baby, and that was dismissive and uninformative, or at best left a lot unsaid. It says that Kerry ordered "warning shots" fired into the civilians, but that the crew was caught in the confusion and all began firing. Now, the "warning shots" aren't neccesarily forgiveable, but what I really want to know is: is Kerry included in the firing? Did he join in shooting those civilians?

I think he did; he said that the child's face "would haunt him forever."

Now do we really want a haunted president?
[color=yellowgreen]I'd suggest that if you're really that interested, that you find evidence that Kerry actually did the killing. Otherwise, you're just spreading rumors.[/color]
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