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Old 15-06-2004, 02:06 AM   #1
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From Abortion to US Foriegn Policy

If you want to know where I fit in politically, I'm conservative. Not to be confused with Republicans. The framework for my political preferences is that I don't like government getting its hands into everything.
  • I don't like special rights or special treatment, and I couldn't care less what people are doing as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. That means I'm for g.ay marriage and g.ay adoption.
  • Abortion? I believe children are alive from conception, so I'm against it although I often find myself torn.
  • Drugs? Don't care, legalize and offer education and clinics, I don't use, but it's no different to me than booze or cigs.
  • Immigration? I empathize with the plight of others, but for safety's sake nobody should be allowed to enter illegally.
  • Education? Pay teachers, not administrators, break up the unions and actually teach the 3 R's.
  • Taxes? Why does the IRS code need to be so complicated and why the **** do we still collect taxes to help win WWII?
  • Social Programs? There are needs to be met and gov't has proven time and again that it is incapable of managing the needs of society itself. The gov't could however facilitate the meeting of these needs and with proper incentive most if not all could be met by individuals and businesses.
  • Environment? We live here, we need to be good stewards, but within reason people still come first.
  • US Foreign Policy? We are the remaining superpower, minor decisions for the US can have major impacts on others. Whatever we do, we need to tread carefully.
  • Military? I believe every citizen should serve a mandatory two years active duty in the military, public service does not count.
  • Did I support going into Iraq? Yes, Saddam should have been dealt with years ago.
Neither Bush nor Kerry stand for me as neither believe government's only job is to secure its citizens' freedoms, to protect human rights at home and abroad and to facilitate most anything else. I'm not sure who I'm voting for this year.

What are your political beliefs or for whom are you going to vote?
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Old 15-06-2004, 02:10 AM   #2
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Bartleby, it sounds like you and I have quite a lot in common. BTW, check out the Cato Insititute http://www.cato.org if you haven't already. They are conservative, but more libertarian than mainline Republicans. You might like their policies.
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Old 15-06-2004, 04:55 AM   #3
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yeah taht sounds more Libertarian than conservative.

The only thing that stood out at me was the two year mandatory service in the military because the military is not for everyone as much as it'd be nice if we could all do it there is no way I could do the military. I think anyone who knows me would agree, hell even you guys here would have to agree.

I like the support for *** marriage though :) thanks
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Old 15-06-2004, 05:01 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by Bartleby
If you want to know where I fit in politically, I'm conservative. Not to be confused with Republicans. The framework for my political preferences is that I don't like government getting its hands into everything.
  • I don't like special rights or special treatment, and I couldn't care less what people are doing as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. That means I'm for g.ay marriage and g.ay adoption.
  • Abortion? I believe children are alive from conception, so I'm against it although I often find myself torn.
  • Drugs? Don't care, legalize and offer education and clinics, I don't use, but it's no different to me than booze or cigs.
  • Immigration? I empathize with the plight of others, but for safety's sake nobody should be allowed to enter illegally.
  • Education? Pay teachers, not administrators, break up the unions and actually teach the 3 R's.
  • Taxes? Why does the IRS code need to be so complicated and why the **** do we still collect taxes to help win WWII?
  • Social Programs? There are needs to be met and gov't has proven time and again that it is incapable of managing the needs of society itself. The gov't could however facilitate the meeting of these needs and with proper incentive most if not all could be met by individuals and businesses.
  • Environment? We live here, we need to be good stewards, but within reason people still come first.
  • US Foreign Policy? We are the remaining superpower, minor decisions for the US can have major impacts on others. Whatever we do, we need to tread carefully.
  • Military? I believe every citizen should serve a mandatory two years active duty in the military, public service does not count.
  • Did I support going into Iraq? Yes, Saddam should have been dealt with years ago.
Neither Bush nor Kerry stand for me as neither believe government's only job is to secure its citizens' freedoms, to protect human rights at home and abroad and to facilitate most anything else. I'm not sure who I'm voting for this year.

What are your political beliefs or for whom are you going to vote?
That's pretty much my feeling on things, too. I would also add:

Death Penalty? The state doesn't have the right to execute people under it's care. It's not a deterent, it's not cheaper for the state, it's prone to error, it's irreversable, and frankly, it lets some of those prisoners off the hook too easily.
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Old 15-06-2004, 06:08 AM   #5
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1 Same.
2 Don't really care. I'd allow it as a form of population control really.
3 Ban the heavy drugs.
4 No illegal immigrants.
5 I'm not a fan of breaking up unions, but edumication neds 2 be fixd
6 Taxes should be there, and actually raised when necessary. Obviously they would be lower in a weaker government than a strong one but they still need to exist.
7 Social programs. The government CAN be efficent when it knows what to do. Just giving a broad goal is a no no.
8 Pro-enviroment
9 I'm liberal on the international level. Institutions are a good thing.
10 Military, I don't support any mandatory service unless there's a dire need. Ex: Being attacked by another country? Yes. Attacking too many countries at once? No. Peacekeeping should be done within the confines of the int'l system.
11 Saddam needed to be removed. However that was not the reason given for war, and thus why I disagree with it now.

Here's a new one:
Economy: I detest outsourcing as it is right now.
I'd be sorta protectionist here. Tariffs on countries where we outsource jobs to until their standards of living increase to a level.
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Old 15-06-2004, 06:25 AM   #6
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Yeah, the death penalty is a tough one for me. I agree, it's not a deterent and my fear is that just one innocent person might lose their life, but I didn't know it's more expensive. Do you have any links to information on this? What would you consider an adequate punishment for truly horrid crimes?

Oh yeah and if anyone has a gripe with one, some or all of my positions I'd like to hear why, we'll both likely end up learning something we didn't know.
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Old 15-06-2004, 06:37 AM   #7
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Outsourcing? This one is going to make me unpopular, but I'm all for it. I empathize with programmers losing their jobs, my field, accounting (tax work) is also beginning to be outsourced and the trend will continue. Other fields will experience this outsourcing as well, but I think it's a good thing. This will stimulate the economies of now third world countries and will speed the improvement of their lifestyle and I believe it will open up room for small to medium sized business to fill. The global corporations are finally starting to fulfill the promise of improving the countries they are in. This is not to say these companies operate even handedly with their hosts, but in time the countries will be able to force them to play fair. Aside from that the citizens of these nations are finally seeing a way out of their cast systems through education and work. This is so new that who knows how it will all turn out, but I really think this will be an opportunity for those countries that were left in the dust (economically) to close the gap.
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Old 15-06-2004, 06:56 AM   #8
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Outsourcing? This one is going to make me unpopular, but I'm all for it. I empathize with programmers losing their jobs, my field, accounting (tax work) is also beginning to be outsourced and the trend will continue. Other fields will experience this outsourcing as well, but I think it's a good thing. This will stimulate the economies of now third world countries and will speed the improvement of their lifestyle and I believe it will open up room for small to medium sized business to fill. The global corporations are finally starting to fulfill the promise of improving the countries they are in. This is not to say these companies operate even handedly with their hosts, but in time the countries will be able to force them to play fair. Aside from that the citizens of these nations are finally seeing a way out of their cast systems through education and work. This is so new that who knows how it will all turn out, but I really think this will be an opportunity for those countries that were left in the dust (economically) to close the gap.
I agree completely, we are finally sending some decent jobs over seas instead of just slave labor. Maybe a sort of comeuppance for how we have benefited from all the explotations of cheap foreign labor. They are people too, and im sure need the jobs just as much if not more than people over here do. And by stimulating their economys with decent paying jobs it could benfit us all in the end.
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Old 15-06-2004, 07:58 AM   #9
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Do you have any links to information on this? What would you consider an adequate punishment for truly horrid crimes?
Simple. Death Penalty cases are an automatic appeal. Trials cost lots and lots of money, and take a long time. And you can't just not let them appeal, this is death we're talking about. So in the end, it's just cheaper to keep 'em alive, and you don't have all the other negatives associated with murdering someone in the state's care.

Adequate punishment? Make em breaks rocks 8 hours a day for the next 50 years. Now that's a detterant.
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Old 15-06-2004, 06:25 PM   #10
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I believe they already of manual labor programs in most prisons. I don't think people break rocks anymore though

Personally, I'd like to see a more rehabilitative approach as I see it in the best interest of all of society. Get the non-violent druggies and dealers out of prison and offer state run mandatory and facilitate not for profit non mandatory rehab clinics for the substance addicted along with facilitating education programs vocational or otherwise to enable them find another path. A determination could be made and reviewed at regular intervals about a prisoner's ability to be rehabilitated and education programs should follow for those that can be.

I also think prison should be a mix of state run institutions for violent offenders and private not for profit run institutions for non violent and white collar crimes.
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