Humans and Animals [Poll]

[AgeOfAbnegation]

Hi everyone, in light of the recent "values" thread, as well as some other recent discussions, I thought I'd post a simple poll. Take note of the selections, and kindly post the reason for your choice. Thx :)

- Among creatures of the earth, humans have the most inherent value.
- All creatures - from humans to amoebas, have identical value.
- No creatures have inherent value.

[Havard]

Well my opinion is no news here. I say that humans have a greater value than the rest.

[ScytheNoire]

and i say that value comes from accomplishments.

if plant A does absolutly nothing for us and plant B cures cancer, somehow, i think that plant B ranks higher in value.

same holds true for people.

if Bob sits on his butt all daying playing WoW and Jim finds plant B that cures cancer, somehow, i'd find this hard to argue against, Jim seems to hold more value.

call me crazy, but it's how the world works. if you don't believe me, i'll trade you a few thousand Canadian dollars for the same numerical amount in Euros or American dollars. :)

[w00tasaurus]

Originally Posted by ScytheNoire

and i say that value comes from accomplishments.

if plant A does absolutly nothing for us and plant B cures cancer, somehow, i think that plant B ranks higher in value.

same holds true for people.

if Bob sits on his butt all daying playing WoW and Jim finds plant B that cures cancer, somehow, i'd find this hard to argue against, Jim seems to hold more value.

call me crazy, but it's how the world works. if you don't believe me, i'll trade you a few thousand Canadian dollars for the same numerical amount in Euros or American dollars. :)

I'd say if Bob lets me play WoW he has a greater value.

Hmm I voted all have equal value, but I ment to click the last one for about the same reasons as scythe.


what did you vote for Aoa?

[Ryu]

humans have the greatest worth but animals still have a lot of worth

[Coltaine]

To find out what Aoa votet for, look at the poll results :-) I know for 100% what he votet if no other member on this board is lying.

I votet for a.
This comes from me reflecting how i act. I would never say an unborn has no value. I would kill animals if if it is very ill, but never a human.
That doen not mean that animals have no value, they have.
But i have yet to come up with a good reason why not to wipe out all seals, under the condition that we could survive still. I wont because i think they have a value and would be a great loss. but i don't think it is a good reason.
My opinion was diffenerent some time ago, and guess what. It change through a discussion! Yeah you heard right! it is possible to change ones views. And it happens more often than some think it is.

Guess i didn't said all i wanted but it is so hot outside that i can't think.
and no, the climate isn't changing

[AgeOfAbnegation]

Originally Posted by ScytheNoire

and i say that value comes from accomplishments.

if plant A does absolutly nothing for us and plant B cures cancer, somehow, i think that plant B ranks higher in value.

same holds true for people.

if Bob sits on his butt all daying playing WoW and Jim finds plant B that cures cancer, somehow, i'd find this hard to argue against, Jim seems to hold more value.

call me crazy, but it's how the world works. if you don't believe me, i'll trade you a few thousand Canadian dollars for the same numerical amount in Euros or American dollars. :)

You spoke of values that are assigned for a specific end or task. What about inherent value?

wOOt - our choices are visible, just click on the numbers. I selected humans and the hierarchy of values - essentially what Ryu said.

[Havard]

Originally Posted by w00tasaurus

I'd say if Bob lets me play WoW he has a greater value.

Or... you have a greater motive to KILL him! Isn't that right, Mr. "w00tasaurus"? Or is that not your real name?

[AgeOfAbnegation]

DOnt forget to explain your choices guys, I see Eiger and Essex voted, but where are the posts (as if your positions are defensible anyway :p).

[Bartleby]

I said all have equal value for this reason.

IMO there are two types of value: Universal Value and Relative (think personal) Value.

Universal Value: All things "big and small," "good and evil," etc. have inherently equal value in the sense that everything contributes to the overall balance of the universe. Think yin and yang, without one how could you have the other?

Relative Value: Personally I hate cumquats, to me they are the disgusting little b@stard children of the fruit world. Peaches on the other hand... I could eat peaches all day long. One obviously has more value to me than to another, but it's all relative as there are likely many people who disagree with me.

So I voted the way I did, because in the grander scheme of things all life is inherently valuable.