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Will the Alliance ever be able to beat the Horde...?
*warning: mild rant mode enabled*
It never ceases to amaze me when I see just how poorly Alliance players interact with one another. I played as a human paladin in the first stress test and a night-elven priest in this past open beta. I played on non-PvP servers. In both instances, it seemed that the Horde CONSTANTLY held the upper-hand when it came to raids, both in defending their lands and in attacking our lands. Are horde races that much better? Were the players that much higher of a level? Why was the Alliance constantly getting their arses handed to them?
I've thought about it, spoken with other players of Warcraft and Everquest, and it seems to boil down to one constant: "evil" races tend to be played by the die-hard gamers, while "good" races tend to be played by the more casual gamer. All of the horde "victories" I saw in my experiences and have read about on these forums seem to be the result of planning, cooperation, and organization, not "better" or "stronger" character builds, and I believe that most casual gamers just can't become immersed enough in the game world to form the bonds needed to cooperate with others in a massive raid.
I'll give a very brief description of what I saw on my wife's screen (and heard about and read on other forums) happen on Test 19 last night. Alliance players seemed to be full of excitement of the prospect of being able to brag about personal glories. I got the impression they were saying "I'm gonna kill X Horde" rather than "We're gonna kill X Horde". Few of these players were in their 20's. Most were in their teens; a few were single-digits. They'd talk up a storm of nonsense in the raid channel, yelling and screaming and jumping around before the fight. They'd run around trying to duel each other, with the bloodlust running high and patience running low. People split from the group left and right as they made their way separately south from Auberdine. Though I didn't stay awake long enough to watch the actual fight, from what I read and heard there was no organization. Period.
I'm not sure where I'm going with this admittedly disorganized rambling. :D I can't stand on a soap box screaming "Grow up! Be patient! Work together!" because it's not my right to do so. I can't complain too much when an organized horde raid comes stomping through my lands, because I'll be untouchable (non-PvP server, remember) and will be able to walk past on my merry way.
I guess I'm just... disappointed, that my Alliance brethern don't seem to care as much about teamwork as the Horde appear to...
There are a few very well organized Alliance guilds (peruse I Linte Macil if you want to see the height of organization), but generally most of the alliance guilds I have seen are filled with people who don't know the first thing about organization.
Also I think the casual/hardcore gamer is right in a sense, and also players that are new to MMORPGs tend to pick the more familiar races, i.e. humans.
I think it really boils down to Tauren though, something about seeing other Tauren makes you want to band together with them...
My husband has made many good points here. I was involved in that so called raid. We all stormed down to the Barrens but my Alliance members decided to started attacking guards instead of going around. That killed many of them. Those of us who were smart enough to go around, didn't make it very far. The Horde attacked us from behind.
I managed to hearthstone back to Auberdine. From there, I flew back to Astranaar where I tried to organize our defense. As the raid groups gathered, the majority went to try another full out offense. There were not many left to defend our home.
As the Horde gathered closer to our defense team, we finally got some reinforcements from our Allies. Us night elves thank the humans, dwarves, and, of course, the gnomes too. After the first battle at Astranaar, many of those reinforcements left to join our offense, again leaving our defenses small....
Our small group managed to defend all the attacks from the Horde. How? I have no idea. I believe it is something about defending our home that drives us to keep going and not give up.
well, we also havent exactly gotten to a high enough level to experience this all properly
At low levels everyones doin anything, and usually everythings a mess. By the time it reachs lvl 60 many people have been weeded out and everyone knows their characters better.
But I do agree on the "evil" thing, because generally people who want to kill everything choose the evil races it seems. I mean, my younger brother always goes with the evil races, and he is very good at pvp. However hes never gotten past lvl 42 in a mmorpg lol. Like i said, this is only the start. People who just love to fight have no problem getting to lvl 20-30 and doing that, but many of them also dont like to put in the effort to keep advancing their char - they usually instead head to some other instantanious fighting game.
Will the alliance ever beat the horde ? Will the horde ever beat the alliance ?
the answer to both questions will be yes !! and many times in both ways :)
One of the things you gotta realize i think you already have from what you've said is that, alot of Elf players just want to have fun, maybe even interact and play around @ the elf villages and chat and what not, but at the same time many of them might not be die hard gamers like most of the orc players are gunna be, as a matter of fact i'd venture to say that the orcs in my opinion ( since i dont really know) will probably be killing more elves than elves will be killing orcs. however this doesnt have to apply to your character in particular.
i prefur to keep the entire war to my own personal level. 1 how many times have i killed orcs and 2. how many times have i been slain by orcs. as long as i'm killing more of them than i'm dying to them, i am content.
I am Horde. I am not evil. I am not a warmonger. I prefer questing to raiding. I prefer defending to attacking. I will keep my lord, Thrall's image untarnished. I am Horde.
Most evils I see are done from either the Gnomes and Humans or from the Undead. And there are ALOT more Humans and Gnomes than Undead. But yes, there will be evils commited no matter what race is concerned... even unfortunately through the hands of one of my Tauren brothers (and that seems very very wrong!)
I use to be Alliance. Alliance was unorganised and self-centered. Alliance made me feel weak and unimportant. I tried Horde. Horde was helpful and informative. Horde was willing where Alliance was selfish. Horde makes me feel like family.
I dont think anyone was saying that ALL horde like to fight, just that that is a general trend that seems to happen.
As for how helpful people are...:) we all know that has only to do with who is on, and who you meet. If you were to play lineage 1 where people can be slaughtered by pkers before they ever have time to start the game you will generally hear 2 different stories from them. One is "I almost quit when I start because I kept getting killed everytime I left town", and another is "I met a nice person/guild who helped me get started".
I do however, have to shoot myself in the foot for a second. We too are plagued with ******ation. Like, for example, morons who decided to attack the guards in ashtrinar. That pulled probably 20 evil blue big ear people into our nice mob. The mob scattered as they all got slaughtered by the guards. Then, mr /3 COMMAND goes ahead and attacks them again, insisting we can take them. Idiot... On a seperate raid, we just went around to dark(vale? wood?) and killed much, then got beat back by the huge mob of alliance. I have, however not heard of many attacks on undead territory... Perhaps the horde's player base is inheiretly more aggressive.
Alliance really seems like a lot younger of a crowd who plays that side of the world. Played Alliance with my friends for Open beta. Played a bit of Horde for Open beta as well. Sorry but the Horde really does seem to have more skilled players. Or I should say more mature. More of the power gamers seem to be on the Horde side. Played Horde and Alliance quite a bit in closed beta. Still liked the Horde side better.
I'm planning to play Alliance despite all the dicouraging news of them..(although it has dicouraged me a bit)....I like the Horde but I LOVE NE's, I hope there aren't too many immature (among other stuff that people said) people on my server... I do however plan to try and gather or group with the *few mature and serious and well organized ones..), I think that playing with them will be more enjoyable...
*The only reason I say 'few' is because of all the stuff people have been saying about the alliance. I can not comment because I myself wasn't in the beta... I hope its not true but hope only goes so far...
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