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Old 22-04-2005, 07:21 AM   #1
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How r you horde players holding out in PvP now?

I was having a whine the other day about being ganked constantly after the new patch, Hey I know I chose PvP so I deal with it - its just a game after all ;) - and I play alliance - it must be 100 times worse on the horde side, how are you guys holding out?


Does anyone know if the horde will get ranks easier? Its just that with double the alliance players around I figure the horde will need some type of advantage to remain competative?

Its my thoughts that perhaps the honour system should only be implemented in the battlegrounds section of the world? What are everyone elses thoughts?

I have a level 60 Human Paladin who says he goes questing to find fair fights when he cant find fair fights he just ganks lower level horde.

Before the patch he would help fellow guild members do quests and he wouldnt do much PvP. And he would also spend a fair bit of time farming cash for his guild and training alts.

The new patch has given him something new to do and as such newbie hordes are paying the price.

I cant help but think that there needs to be dis-honour with honour - even a level 60 v 55 is not a fair fight - little own a 60 v 48.

Here are the stats :

Thought everyone might be interested in the current realm stats
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Quick Faction Stats  	
	  	Alliance 	Horde 	              Overall 	
	PVE	687,255 (70%)	292,909 (30%)	980,165	
	PVP	698,685 (54%)	593,629 (46%)	1,292,315	
	RP	122,677 (68%)	57,811 (32%)	180,488	
	 	
	Overall	1,508,617 (62%)	944,349 (38%)	2,452,968
Also by race :

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Quick Race Stats  	
	  	Dwarf 	Gnome 	Human 	Night Elf 	Orc 	Taruen 	Troll 	Undead 	
	PVE	11%	7%	26%	26%	6%	9%	6%	9%	
	PVP	8%	7%	19%	20%	9%	11%	9%	17%	
	RP	10%	7%	26%	26%	7%	9%	7%	10%	
	 	
	Overall	9%	7%	23%	23%	8%	10%	7%	13%
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Old 22-04-2005, 07:24 AM   #2
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I have a level 60 Human Paladin who says he goes questing to find fair fights when he cant find fair fights he just ganks lower level

Typo - That should read "I have a level 60 Human Paladin friend who says he goes... "
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Old 22-04-2005, 07:33 AM   #3
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STATS by server

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US Quick Server Stats  	
	Server 	Timezone 	Type 	Alliance 	Horde 	A/H Ratio 	Overall 	
	Aggramar	CST	PVE	7,713 (57%)	5,876 (43%)	1.3 : 1	13,589	
	Alleria	CST	PVE	           14,109 (82%)	3,179 (18%)	4.4 : 1	17,288	
	Archimonde	CST	PVP	6,377 (46%)	7,354 (54%)	1 : 1.2	13,731	
	Argent Dawn	EST	RP	14,021 (76%)	4,425 (24%)	3.2 : 1	18,446	
	Arthas	EST	PVP	            5,454 (48%)	5,903 (52%)	1 : 1.1	11,357	
	Azgalor	CST	PVP	            8,095 (55%)	6,726 (45%)	1.2 : 1	14,821	
	Azjol-Nerub	MST	PVE	9,376 (71%)	3,842 (29%)	2.4 : 1	13,218	
	Blackhand	CST	PVE	11,944 (77%)	3,513 (23%)	3.4 : 1	15,457	
	Blackrock	PST	PVP	10,441 (63%)	6,128 (37%)	1.7 : 1	16,569	
	Bleeding Hollow	EST	PVP	10,869 (59%)	7,629 (41%)	1.4 : 1	18,498	
	Bloodhoof	EST	PVE	10,801 (72%)	4,144 (28%)	2.6 : 1	14,945	
	Bloodscalp	MST	PVP	6,999 (48%)	7,536 (52%)	1 : 1.1	14,535	
	Bonechewer	PST	PVP	8,616 (56%)	6,780 (44%)	1.3 : 1	15,396	
	Boulderfist	PST	PVP	6,040 (55%)	4,878 (45%)	1.2 : 1	10,918	
	Bronzebeard	PST	PVE	12,435 (91%)	1,255 (9%)	9.9 : 1	13,690	
	Burning Blade	EST	PVP	9,394 (50%)	9,282 (50%)	1 : 1	18,676	
	Burning Legion	CST	PVP	6,310 (50%)	6,291 (50%)	1 : 1	12,601	
	Cenarion Circle	PST	RP	10,677 (71%)	4,334 (29%)	2.5 : 1	15,011	
	Cenarius	PST	PVE	12,872 (74%)	4,610 (26%)	2.8 : 1	17,482	
	Crushridge	PST	PVP	6,360 (53%)	5,698 (47%)	1.1 : 1	12,058	
	Daggerspine	PST	PVP	6,666 (50%)	6,690 (50%)	1 : 1	13,356	
	Dalaran	EST	PVE	          10,573 (63%)	6,168 (37%)	1.7 : 1	16,741	
	Darkspear	MST	PVP	8,423 (52%)	7,782 (48%)	1.1 : 1	16,205	
	Deathwing	MST	PVP	5,701 (42%)	8,023 (58%)	1 : 1.4	13,724	
	Destromath	PST	PVP	3,575 (42%)	4,874 (58%)	1 : 1.4	8,449	
	Dethecus	PST	PVP	5,677 (50%)	5,735 (50%)	1 : 1	11,412	
	Doomhammer	MST	PVE	10,238 (56%)	7,987 (44%)	1.3 : 1	18,225	
	Draenor	PST	PVE	            11,175 (75%)	3,762 (25%)	3 : 1	14,937	
	Dragonblight	PST	PVE	9,018 (62%)	5,550 (38%)	1.6 : 1	14,568	
	Dragonmaw	PST	PVP	10,094 (67%)	4,938 (33%)	2 : 1	15,032	
	Dunemaul	PST	PVP	8,941 (58%)	6,390 (42%)	1.4 : 1	15,331	
	Durotan	EST	PVE	        3,746 (42%)	5,160 (58%)	1 : 1.4	8,906	
	Earthen Ring	EST	RP	10,170 (74%)	3,613 (26%)	2.8 : 1	13,783	
	Eldre'Thalas	EST	PVE	9,876 (68%)	4,578 (32%)	2.2 : 1	14,454	
	Elune	EST	PVE	         12,894 (81%)	2,993 (19%)	4.3 : 1	15,887	
	Eonar	EST	PVE	        12,651 (75%)	4,148 (25%)	3 : 1	16,799	
	Eredar	EST	PVP	        7,559 (50%)	7,504 (50%)	1 : 1	15,063	
	Feathermoon	PST	RP	11,457 (60%)	7,661 (40%)	1.5 : 1	19,118	
	Firetree	EST	PVP	 7,214 (39%)	11,487 (61%)	1 : 1.6	18,701	
	Frostmane	CST	PVP	7,644 (49%)	7,819 (51%)	1 : 1	15,463	
	Frostwolf	PST	PVP	8,096 (48%)	8,706 (52%)	1 : 1.1	16,802	
	Garona	CST	PVE	        14,003 (80%)	3,455 (20%)	4.1 : 1	17,458	
	Gilneas	EST	PVE	          10,772 (72%)	4,247 (28%)	2.5 : 1	15,019	
	Gorefiend	EST	PVP	9,778 (68%)	4,533 (32%)	2.2 : 1	14,311	
	Gorgonnash	PST	PVP	9,034 (74%)	3,235 (26%)	2.8 : 1	12,269	
	Hellscream	CST	PVE	9,618 (63%)	5,540 (37%)	1.7 : 1	15,158	 
	Hyjal	PST	PVE	           8,685 (67%)	4,317 (33%)	2 : 1	13,002	
	Icecrown	MST	PVE	8,854 (69%)	3,895 (31%)	2.3 : 1	12,749	
	Illidan	CST	PVP	           8,208 (46%)	9,743 (54%)	1 : 1.2	17,951	
	Kargath	EST	PVE	        14,361 (72%)	5,459 (28%)	2.6 : 1	19,820	
	Kel'Thuzad	MST	PVP	10,254 (57%)	7,675 (43%)	1.3 : 1	17,929	
	Khadgar	EST	PVE	         8,674 (69%)	3,860 (31%)	2.2 : 1	12,534	
	Kil'Jaeden	PST	PVP	9,566 (46%)	11,120 (54%)	1 : 1.2	20,686	
	Kilrogg	PST	PVE	          9,221 (58%)	6,639 (42%)	1.4 : 1	15,860	
	Laughing Skull	CST	PVP	11,034 (64%)	6,209 (36%)	1.8 : 1	17,243	
	Lightbringer	PST	PVE	13,598 (82%)	3,008 (18%)	4.5 : 1	16,606	
	Lightning's Blade	EST	PVP	5,666 (50%)	5,580 (50%)	1 : 1	11,246	
	Llane	EST	PVE	          10,331 (72%)	3,992 (28%)	2.6 : 1	14,323	
	Lothar	EST	PVE	          9,490 (77%)	2,799 (23%)	3.4 : 1	12,289	
	Magtheridon	EST	PVP	8,120 (56%)	6,313 (44%)	1.3 : 1	14,433	
	Mal'Ganis	CST	PVP	8,734 (42%)	12,104 (58%)	1 : 1.4	20,838	
	Malygos	CST	PVE	        9,214 (59%)	6,526 (41%)	1.4 : 1	15,740	
	Mannoroth	EST	PVP	12,014 (64%)	6,690 (36%)	1.8 : 1	18,704	
	Medivh	EST	PVE	         9,201 (67%)	4,504 (33%)	2 : 1	13,705	
	Nathrezim	MST	PVP	4,080 (51%)	3,874 (49%)	1.1 : 1	7,954	
	Ner'zhul	PST	PVP	7,753 (51%)	7,393 (49%)	1 : 1	15,146	
	Perenolde	MST	PVE	7,940 (76%)	2,520 (24%)	3.2 : 1	10,460	
	Proudmoore	PST	PVE	13,340 (73%)	4,835 (27%)	2.8 : 1	18,175	
	Sargeras	CST	PVP	5,406 (44%)	6,988 (56%)	1 : 1.3	12,394	
	Scarlet Crusade	CST	RP	11,873 (65%)	6,330 (35%)	1.9 : 1	18,203	
	Shadow Council	EST	RP	8,024 (63%)	4,757 (37%)	1.7 : 1	12,781	
	Shadow Moon	EST	PVP	14,836 (68%)	6,996 (32%)	2.1 : 1	21,832	
	Shadowsong	PST	PVE	12,659 (75%)	4,155 (25%)	3 : 1	16,814	
	Shattered Hand	EST	PVP	9,155 (56%)	7,261 (44%)	1.3 : 1	16,416	
	Silver Hand	PST	RP	11,950 (79%)	3,126 (21%)	3.8 : 1	15,076	
	Silvermoon	PST	PVE	13,025 (66%)	6,788 (34%)	1.9 : 1	19,813	
	Skullcrusher	EST	PVP	8,764 (61%)	5,719 (39%)	1.5 : 1	14,483	
	Spinebreaker	PST	PVP	7,184 (48%)	7,715 (52%)	1 : 1.1	14,899	
	Spirestone	PST	PVP	7,899 (53%)	7,145 (47%)	1.1 : 1	15,044	
	Stonemaul	PST	PVP	7,740 (56%)	6,108 (44%)	1.3 : 1	13,848	
	Stormrage	EST	PVE	9,192 (70%)	4,008 (30%)	2.3 : 1	13,200	
	Stormreaver	CST	PVP	5,969 (51%)	5,809 (49%)	1 : 1	11,778	
	Stormscale	PST	PVP	7,522 (57%)	5,662 (43%)	1.3 : 1	13,184	
	Suramar	PST	PVE	        11,492 (61%)	7,396 (39%)	1.6 : 1	18,888	
	Terenas	MST	PVE	       11,987 (76%)	3,824 (24%)	3.1 : 1	15,811	
	Thunderhorn	CST	PVE	13,015 (76%)	4,039 (24%)	3.2 : 1	17,054	
	Thunderlord	CST	PVP	7,837 (59%)	5,558 (41%)	1.4 : 1	13,395	
	Tichondrius	PST	PVP	12,398 (57%)	9,469 (43%)	1.3 : 1	21,867	
	Uldum	PST	PVE	        9,698 (67%)	4,868 (33%)	2 : 1	14,566	
	Uther	PST	PVE	        14,222 (79%)	3,792 (21%)	3.8 : 1	18,014	
	Warsong	EST	PVP	        9,134 (56%)	7,170 (44%)	1.3 : 1	16,304	
	Whisperwind	CST	PVE	8,556 (80%)	2,165 (20%)	4 : 1	10,721	
	Windrunner	PST	PVE	13,456 (72%)	5,352 (28%)	2.5 : 1	18,808	
	Zul'jin	EST	PVE	             5,922 (53%)	5,185 (47%)	1.1 : 1	11,107	
	 	
	Overall			              890,749 (62%)	538,401 (38%)	1.7 : 1	1,429,15

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Old 22-04-2005, 07:51 AM   #4
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Ranks are based on percentages, so it makes no difference which side has more players. At any rate, on most pvp servers (where it really matters), the number is biased only slightly toward the alliance.

My personal experience since the introduction of the honor system has been great, always on the lookout for alliance to slay for the horde! Unfortunately there arnt enough alliance on Ner'Zhul to satisfy the hordes thirst for blood.
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Old 22-04-2005, 08:12 AM   #5
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Ranks are based on percentages, so it makes no difference which side has more players. At any rate, on most pvp servers (where it really matters), the number is biased only slightly toward the alliance.

My personal experience since the introduction of the honor system has been great, always on the lookout for alliance to slay for the horde! Unfortunately there arnt enough alliance on Ner'Zhul to satisfy the hordes thirst for blood.

Definately - I think once Battlegrounds comes out in the next patch the PvP system should balance itself out a bit more naturally.

I personally dont have any probs with the system I can just see how lower level characters ( particually horde) could be getting a bit frustrated.
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Old 22-04-2005, 08:07 PM   #6
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The only really frustrating thing is the Alliance always winning by the pure numbers.

They're just too many. Everywhere, everytime.
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Old 22-04-2005, 08:14 PM   #7
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Today when I was finally able to log on to my server with my lvl 36 mage.(several hours after I downloaded the patch. Blizzard had some trouble getting the servers back online) I immediatly saw a lvl 36 paladin running at me with pvp enabled (Im on a PvE server). I fought him twice, and both fights he was the one who got beaten. The honor-system looked pretty ok, especially because it already looked as if PvE servers would get a bit more PvP. Suddenly one of my friends told me that tarren mill got raided. So I hurried my way over there and I joined the fight. At first the fight was about 40(horde)vs60(alliance). We were winning though, we had the guards on our side so we had nice backup. 200 honor points later, I noticed we got pushed back into the middle of tarren mill. The numbers had changed into 40(horde)vs80(alliance). Most of the lower lvls left and higher lvls joined the raid. It wasnt enough though. Tarren mill got owned in every sense of the word.

It started out as fun, however it turned into hell. I guess its just because the honor-system is new, things will change after a week or so. I think the honor-system can only get better from here. More PvP in PvE servers, but only when you feel like it
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Four the last four hours I've been fighting an unending battle in Hillsbrad. For the first two hours I was there, it went well. We did raids to Southshore and then Alliance came to Tarren Mill. Both were always repelled. Then their numbers just grew too large for us to handle. Now our forces are in dissarray and Alliance is everywhere. We are trying to form a small stronghold in the church of Tarren Mill, but so far we have been driven out with pure numbers. We will not falter however! We are the Horde!!

*picks up his staff and goes back to fight*
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Old 23-04-2005, 06:13 PM   #9
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Stormreaver PvP EU:

the first 2 hours after the servers were back up, we wiped southshore 5 times, they wiped tarren mill once. numbers were about 160 vs 160 when i left the battle.

i left after we crashed the server (only certain areas went down).

those 2 hours were fun, but barely playable. took 10 seconds to cast an instant spell, 15 seconds to cast a 1.5sec heal.

still, running in, picking a target, killing it, dropping a fire nova & running the hell out seemed to work quite well. (until you get entangle roots, hammer of justice or a hunter conc shot)

not judging blizz yet, since this was just the first day, but i'm afraid they'll have to fix those servers quick or it'll be hell.
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Tarren mill got raided again today. It was pretty even because we had the guards on our side. The alliance tried to lure us out fo the town so the guards wouldnt help us. We all decided to go to Hammerfall to raid refugee point and we did :D. The problem was: Hammerfall was under heavy attack. After much arueing we went to loch modan and raided the hell out of the dwarves :D. The sight of hammerfall being "under-control" by alliance wasnt pretty though...
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