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Ok, I've played Horde my whole "career" (if you will) and my alliance server paladin is level 11 (so boring I couldn't stand it). Only deaths I've heard of were fights between warriors (using mortal strike so limiting their healing capacities), druids (doing the fight in bear form, caster form and heal when pally shields and heals, and back to bear, etc), and legendary fights. I've seriously never talk to anyone other than a warrior or a druid who has LEGITAMATELY beaten a paladin. By legitamate I mean equal level both people starting with full life/mana (or energy).
The 2 dispells they get (which are apparently castable when feared or silenced) and that 6 second stun and those 4 life bars are kind of irritating.
So my question is, how does one go about beating a paladin? I wanted to try to make a paladin and get him to a higher level, but I got so bored that I couldn't get him any higher.
Shamans, frost mage, and shadow priests can kills pallies
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Originally Posted by garebear2571
Ok, I've played Horde my whole "career" (if you will) and my alliance server paladin is level 11 (so boring I couldn't stand it). Only deaths I've heard of were fights between warriors (using mortal strike so limiting their healing capacities), druids (doing the fight in bear form, caster form and heal when pally shields and heals, and back to bear, etc), and legendary fights. I've seriously never talk to anyone other than a warrior or a druid who has LEGITAMATELY beaten a paladin. By legitamate I mean equal level both people starting with full life/mana (or energy).
The 2 dispells they get (which are apparently castable when feared or silenced) and that 6 second stun and those 4 life bars are kind of irritating.
So my question is, how does one go about beating a paladin? I wanted to try to make a paladin and get him to a higher level, but I got so bored that I couldn't get him any higher.
~Gare
Response: Palidans are better than some classes and worse than others. A properly played Shaman can almost always take on and beat a Palidan. Also a properly played frost mage and shadow priest can beat a Palidan too.
Response: Palidans are better than some classes and worse than others. A properly played Shaman can almost always take on and beat a Palidan. Also a properly played frost mage and shadow priest can beat a Palidan too.
Um shadow priests and frost mages are able to beat them but im much more scared of a priest with improved mana burn.
How do you beat a pally? Take away his spellcasting abilities and mana.
The best idea when playing a pally is to always heal safely. Either while opponet is stunned or your shielded. Otherwise, you will get hit with many stop spell attacks that other classes have. Also heal early. Waiting too long is stupid and can ensure your demise.
Personally I have no problems with shamans ever. I can't recall losing once to a shaman 1 on 1. In fact today I managed to drop a 51 hunter and 40 shaman at same time after they attempted to gank em. But it could be the same problem as the paladin class. Good class with a lot of bad players.
Btw, if your loh is ready, it pretty much gaurantees you beating most all classes every time.
Also, if you are bored with a pally try to respec to retribution. It allows you crazy 2 and 3 hit kills some of the time which really gets your blood running. It adds some excitement and randomness to your basic I know im going to proc xtimes per minute with SoR.
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At level 60, I'm spec'd in Prot up to Holy shield (w/ imp seal of fury instead of devotion), 5/5 spiritual focus, and in Ret up to consecration w/ SoC. With just that basic skill SoC and no other talents like vengeance and such, I've hit for ~2100 dmg on a weapon crit + SoC crit. I've got a massivly slow 53dps(mayb 52, cant recall) 2h mace i use for SoC duty. Most hits are anywhere from 300-900 dmg range depending on if 1 crits, or just 1 regular hit. Just thought I'd demonstrate that pallys CAN do some major damage, but it is once in a blue moon... Double crits dont occur too often for me.
I would probably see more, but most of the time I'm running around with a 39dps 1.9speed 1h'er and shield using Seal of Fury acting as Off Tank and sometimes Main Tank. 2h weapons are frowned upon for that purpose.
Hmm, i've seen pallies getting owned by hunters, mages, rogues, warlocks and especially priests. Pallies greatest weakness is their lack of range attacks, and mages/hunters who are really good can kite em successfully.
Pallies have cleanse and with that i stand a chance against mages. But when considering locks, they can easily own pallies. Suc's seduce, fear, insta-shadow bolt, DOTs and uncurable curses.
It's a myth to say a pally is unkillable. My greatest fear is the shadow priest. Basically, if a shadow priest doesn't make a mistake, a pally is as good as gone.
The paladin's real strength is to outlast. Outlast warriors and rogues until their hp is gone, and outlast mana users until their mana dries up. The worse is against priests with mana burn, can't do ****.
Can't help you feeling bored with a pally, not alot of depth in PvE combat.
Can't help you feeling bored with a pally, not alot of depth in PvE combat.
Try playing a pure defender ;)
Personally I have never been beaten by warriors.
My best kills were a 48 warrior and 49 rogue (4 times in a row, letting him attack me) both in fair fights (both at full health, they tried to gank me just because I'm level 43).
It seems no horde player knows how to handle a defenderdin.
Also mages are much easier to kill when you have an option to stun them at 20 yards range.
I do agree that a good shaman can pose some threat to you - haven't met one until now :)
Against hunter's and priests I haven't had much useful experience (being group-ganked does not supply much experience *g*)
My best kills were a 48 warrior and 49 rogue (4 times in a row, letting him attack me) both in fair fights (both at full health, they tried to gank me just because I'm level 43).
It seems no horde player knows how to handle a defenderdin.
Also mages are much easier to kill when you have an option to stun them at 20 yards range.
I do agree that a good shaman can pose some threat to you - haven't met one until now :)
Against hunter's and priests I haven't had much useful experience (being group-ganked does not supply much experience *g*)
Whatever build you go with, make sure to get SoC for PvP. It is very low mana usage and very high output on occassion. And, if your built right, you dont have to worry about those random procs as much as you'd think.
Currently, I am criting about twice every battle I go into.I have low agility so I'm not sure why this is happening but it is sustained with a 2.80 spd polearm.
Then I generally proc once or twice with SoC during a fight. Being ret specced, everytime I crit gives me that 15% extra holy and physical damage which makes up for the in between times where I am not critting or procing.
Also my crit rate and proc rate seem to go through the roof when I am fighting PvP vs PvE. Not sure why yet but I get double procs all the time. Yesterday I was fighting some horde mage named Kaen on Sargeras who was 1 lvl below me. First fight he attacked me when I had about 300 health and 100 mana because I had just finsihed off 4 mobs of equal lvl. He got me down to 100 health instantly and I threw up my shield cast SoC then loh. I then proceeded to 2 hit him. First hit proc'd and crit,stun, 2nd swing missed, 3rd swing dropped him. Upon respawn he saluted me and I let him get to full health and full mana. By the time this occurred I had my divine shield back...
He then saluted me and we went at it again. This time I proc'd with SoC again on first hit then was instantly sheeped. He started laughing so I divine shielded out of sheep, stunned him and hit him 2 more times with the 2nd hit procing and he was dead again.
So if you are bored with your pally try a ret build IMHO. I know some people say SoC procs for them once in a blue moon but it hits for me a lot PvP. I dont even have a real slow weapon.
My best kills were a 48 warrior and 49 rogue (4 times in a row, letting him attack me) both in fair fights (both at full health, they tried to gank me just because I'm level 43).
It seems no horde player knows how to handle a defenderdin.
Also mages are much easier to kill when you have an option to stun them at 20 yards range.
I do agree that a good shaman can pose some threat to you - haven't met one until now :)
Against hunter's and priests I haven't had much useful experience (being group-ganked does not supply much experience *g*)
When more MS warriors come into existence at much later lvls, you can get owned pretty quick. As for rogues, try a stunlock rogue, they are fun stuff, just stand there as they use their armor ripper and tear thru u. Not saying you cant beat em, but pallies might have it tough at 60 I'm afraid. Stun a mage at 20 yards so when you move up to their position to see them blink away? My, we totally own mages, rofl.
The question I ask is have you tried playing other classes? You might realise how boring a pally is or the lack of depth after. I was shocked to find how much more fun is it to play a warrior or a mage, or a priest. I have played a warrior to 45, a mage to 30, and my GF's priest, and really, pallies can be boring.
Let's see. Aggro, auto attack, seal, judge, seal, heal when low hp, if all goes hell, then divine shield or LoH. A little variety when HoJ, consecration or divine shield. Or SoC, and hope the hell it procs/crit.
When more MS warriors come into existence at much later lvls, you can get owned pretty quick.
Haven't met any :)
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As for rogues, try a stunlock rogue, they are fun stuff, just stand there as they use their armor ripper and tear thru u.
Did I mention a 35% blocking chance with every block inflicting holy damage and every critical strike received awarding one extra attack and boosting block chance by another 30%?
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Not saying you cant beat em, but pallies might have it tough at 60 I'm afraid.
Currently don't have time to level up to 60 :(
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Stun a mage at 20 yards so when you move up to their position to see them blink away? My, we totally own mages, rofl.
When you reach him you still have your hammer to keep him at range for some secs. I didn't say mages are piece-of-cake, I just meant a Defenderin has 1 additional option. And most mages I met didn't count on that.
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The question I ask is have you tried playing other classes? You might realise how boring a pally is or the lack of depth after. I was shocked to find how much more fun is it to play a warrior or a mage, or a priest. I have played a warrior to 45, a mage to 30, and my GF's priest, and really, pallies can be boring.
Yep. Level 60 Huntress, Level 38 Rogue (in beta), currently lvl 24 Rogue and lvl 16 Priest.
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Let's see. Aggro, auto attack, seal, judge, seal, heal when low hp, if all goes hell, then divine shield or LoH. A little variety when HoJ, consecration or divine shield. Or SoC, and hope the hell it procs/crit.
Err right - which class really has more skills to use in every-day-situations?
@grenadeshark: As I have skilled all talents I need from protection I will now focus on Retribution to get Seal of Command. This could prove quite some fun combined with improved Seal of Justice :)
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