When Will Ganking = Dishonor?

[Idolis]

First, let me clarify that I'm a bona fide pvp junkie. I run around the game looking for a fight. It's fun.

BUT

I never run around looking for an UNFAIR fight.

I really don't understand why high-level players take any time at all to kill those who are 10,15, 20 or more levels below them. Even worse, there are those who seek it out. It's not worth any Honor points and frankly, it's considered by most military cultures to be a sign of cowardice.

Ganking is rampant in WoW. If killing a civilian NPC is worth DH, why isn't killing a basically defenseless opponent worthy of a penalty?

I know there are those who think, "kill them all!, they're the enemy!". But, ultimately, that's a futile and weak stance for anyone to take.

Has Blizzard expressed an opinion about any of this? The tediousness of getting ganked is enough to make me want to quit playing.

And for those of you smug SOBs out there, I'm a Knight-Captain on two servers (these AREN'T the characters getting ganked) and can say truthfully that I've never ganked anyone. I consider that just being weak and petty. But, as I've been building another warrior on Darkspear (37), I can say that the amount of ganking I've experienced has actually increased.

At this point, the only thing that's going to slow it down is penalizing those who do it. And although I can't ever hope for some sort of penalty for lame rogues who wait for you to get in trouble with a few mobs and THEN hit you from behind, I do think it's fair to ask for Blizzard to start policing gank freaks.

[Gaza0469]

Most hardcore PvP's (like me) Like the challenge that you could be level 10 and die to a level 60, its something that keeps you on your toes.

I would advise you to goto a PvE server - here you are pretty much safe anywhere - and you have BG's to go and fight and get all your HPs and HKs

Blizz wanted to give us different types of realms to suit our needs, those that used to play Hardocre Diablo expected a dedicated PvP no rules everything goes server.

And those who used to play Softcore expect to be able to play in peace and go about their daily business.

I think you will really enjoy a PvE server and with BG here you can now get your PvP fill as well :)

[Idolis]

Are you nuts? There's no challenge in being level 10 and getting whacked by a level 60. There's nothing even remotely applicable to "keeping you on your toes" in that scenario. Please.

Being level 40 and taking on two mixed-class level 38s...that'll keep you on your toes.

I'm as hardcore as they come. Reaching and staying at K-C pretty much means pvp non-stop. PvE is a total yawn if you like to fight, i.e., you're missing the point - 'ganking ain't fighting'.

The bottom line is that ganking is fundamental problem in the game. If it continues to be part of the everyday landscape in WoW, then it should at least be a quicker process to rez after getting ganked.

[Lord m]

im inclined 2 agree wit gaza. dont get me wrong, i h8 being nailed by a "??" as much as every1 else, but id much rather have it than not. its all part of the experience.

live it and luv it, or move 2 pve.

and dont go thinking "pve? that sux!" cuz if ur so violiently oposed 2 being nailed that it "makes u want 2 quit"

it might b an idea neway

m

[Gaza0469]

Originally Posted by Idolis

Are you nuts? There's no challenge in being level 10 and getting whacked by a level 60. There's nothing even remotely applicable to "keeping you on your toes" in that scenario. Please.

I never said there was a challenge in a level 10 fighting a level 60.

The challenge is for a level 10 to level up to level 60 with PvE challenges, ganking challenges etc.

Being level 40 and taking on two mixed-class level 38s...that'll keep you on your toes.

definately - thats the beauty of the PvP system you never know who your next contest will be.

granted that from 23-35 its a tough slog - but once you get to around 35-40 then its usually always even fights.

I'm as hardcore as they come.

Sorry I dont think thats true - if you were then you would want more challenges, not less.

Reaching and staying at K-C pretty much means pvp non-stop. PvE is a total yawn if you like to fight, i.e., you're missing the point - 'ganking ain't fighting'

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True - but Im sure it would get boring if you knew that every fight was a 50/50 match.

I wouldnt want to play in that environment where every fight was a gimme. I like the fact that when I step outside of a town that anything can and will go.

The bottom line is that ganking is fundamental problem in the game. If it continues to be part of the everyday landscape in WoW, then it should at least be a quicker process to rez after getting ganked.

Dont play any other MMORGS

Wow has the best death system out - most MMORGs let the enemy player steal your equipment when you die, and all sorts of nasty things like experience loss.

In wow, you dont loose item durability, or experience if another player kills you.

Its a very nice system.

I can see your point of view though - perhaps one day Blizz might make a realm thats in between PvE and PvP where everything is like PvE exept if you see someone 10 levels +/- then you are both auto flagged or something.

Why dont you like PvE realms?

I mean it sounds like BG would be ideal for you - fair fights.

Isnt that what you are after? And you can quest in peace.

[Can0mark]

I mean it sounds like BG would be ideal for you - fair fights.

Not entirely true, it are supposed to be fair fights but you will have times when the opposing faction has 10 lvl 46-50 (it could also be 56-60 or 36-40) and your faction only has 10 lvl 41-44. I also did WSG a couple of times and we had 6 people and the opposing faction had the full 10. A friend of mine even experienced 3on10. So the BG's are supposed to be fair fights... but around 50% (yes 50) of the time they arent fair at all.

[Daishi]

The reason why they aren't going to set DH to low level kills is very simple. Tactics in Raids.

So you set killing lowbies as Dishonorable, so you get guilds gather up everyone, say 5 lvl50+, a few mixed mid lvlers, and 10 or more lvl10 and lower characters. They all group up and charge into SS or wherever they are raiding. Now the opposition warriors are and direct fighters are fine, they can pick out the high enough lvl ones so they can't get the DH, but in the end the low lvlers can pile on them and they are going to have to kill a few of them - automatic dishonor even though they are doing their best to 1) stay alive and 2) defend against a valid raid. The Mages are even worse off. Some of the best PvP things they can do are AOE and they are bound to kill a lot of newbies if they drop a high lvl AOE.. again instant DH even though they are defending and not actually after ganking people.

Its also impossible to say who attacked first with things like AOE spells. The mage might have been attacked by one of them, but will get a lot more as they charge towards him to try and bring him down.

So... don't DH if the target is in a raid group... fine, just set up a Raid with the high lvl players and get a lowbie to /follow someone in the Raid. Same effect, and you can't omit the lowbie as a DH based on the raid group.

Yes its a pain, but simply put how can you impliment a DH system fairly when there would always be holes to exploit. Better to not have DH against players and just not give people HKs for lowbie kills. They hope being they will get bored of gaining no benefit from it. If you see someone PvPing lowbies gather up some high level mates and force them out of the area.

[Gaza0469]

Not entirely true, it are supposed to be fair fights but you will have times when the opposing faction has 10 lvl 46-50 (it could also be 56-60 or 36-40) and your faction only has 10 lvl 41-44.

That is very unusal. The game actually mixes up levels and numbers. ( hence you could have a level 60 horde, 8x level 40 hordes, then on alliance have 9* level 42 alliance.

The way the logarathim works is to balance the levels, so it is possible to have players in there who would usually be to low to join BG and players past the level cap, but it should balance out with levels and numbers.

I also did WSG a couple of times and we had 6 people and the opposing faction had the full 10.

The game would then auto abort in 5 minutes. A minimum of 8v8 is required, you may of had a 8v10 game, however your levels would of been higher to compensate.

A friend of mine even experienced 3on10

Again the game would abort automatically after 5 minutes. perhaps your friend choose not to hang around.

Its also impossible to say who attacked first with things like AOE spells. The mage might have been attacked by one of them, but will get a lot more as they charge towards him to try and bring him down.

That is correct thats why it will be unlikely that they will ever do anything about dishonourable kills.

[Slickice]

I'd have to agree with these guys, It would subtract from the gameplay to make ganks DH... Wouldn't you miss that adrenaline rush as you see 3 lev60's heading your way on mounts as you try to hide or prey they don't stop... Just like if it were real life... hence role playing/realizm

Slickice out :bow:

[coldhammer]

Problem on PVE is they cant kill u so they sit and camp individual creatures u need or kill people u are escorting for quests. And u cant stop them. Yes u can try to hit the creature first as it spawns, but shamans simply throw down totems sit down and wait. And if its someone u are escorting game over. So no dont move to PVE server from a PVP if your are tired of people acting like jerks they can do it anywere.