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I spent time at 47-50th level playing BG for a while and had a ton of fun. I play a rogue. I regularly scored in the top three for number of kills, more often than not was number one overall despite playing on alliance. I was usually on the losing team as horde is better in BG than alliance.
I tried the highest level BG last night with my rogue who's just about to hit 59th level. I was killed so quickly, so many times, it was sad. Horde won both games I played within 10 minutes, 3-0. In both games I had 5 deaths, 0 kills. I think that's about the maximum possible deaths in that time frame, lol. The rest of my teammates had similar stats.
All the alliance were at the bottom of game stats while all the horde were at the top. I felt I had no chance against any horde character be it warriors, priests, shaman, etc...I had absolutely no fun. I definitely won't be going back until I'm 60 with better equipment, if at all.
I'm assuming I was competing against opponents who all had end game equipment. I didn't see any horde of less than 60th level (then again I wasn't alive long enough to observe much). Virtually everything I tried was absorbed, resisted or avoided through immunity.
I guess the purpose of this post is to express frustration about the fact that BG isn't really an option for me or anyone unless they get super serious. I understand I have the option to play but I can't see it being any fun unless you have an organized group with a carefully laid out strategy of all 60th level characters with end game gear.
I might get that serious at some point but many players will never have BG as a viable option after level 50.
1) Have a guild that loves to PVP, and is willing to get PVP gear.
2) Know that yeah, a lot of people have been playing WoW for a long time and PVP gear is essential to winning.
3) Don't be upset about a loss in Warsong Gulch. You are there to get honor. Join the raid group, and kill people. That's the whole point. Losing the CTF match is painful, but you can get a ton of honor still.
4) You can get gear by doing PVP a lot. Simply getting honor non-stop means you get an officer rank, and being able to purchase the gear from the PVP store in Stormwind. Most of that gear is 58+ usable. At level 60 you can get rank 14, Grand Marshal, and get the Epic PVP weapons you need to win a lot.
PVP guilds (which I'm dying to join) definetly PVP a lot. They know that pvpings is a great alternative to raiding all the time. It is very frustrating to get into a guild, and not have PVP support - believe me I know.
Groups make more honor than solo. Organized groups get the MOST MOST MOST honor out of all the groups. 1 Healer, 1 War, 1 Paladin (or another melee), 1 Rogue, 1 Spell damage dealer. That's a winning group. Stick close together, have your main tank call out targets, and just watch the honor roll in. A guild called DOOM on my server rocks our Alliance arses all day long with this formula. I know it, but no one on the alliance side likes PVP. They love farming items, and gold like pansies.
Unfortunately, depending on the balance of your server, this is indeed a problem, though I would note that it isn't 100% of the time.
For example, on Llane, Alliance outnumbers Horde by some ridiculous number, like 3 or 4 to 1. As a result, there are far less Hordies queueing for WSG than Alliance, and they can easily dictate the number of games running at a given point in time. If only 10-12 Horde are queued, only one WSG will run. If 30ish Horde are lined up, we'll have three running on my server. Either way Alliance faces hour-long or worse wait times, which never seem to be consistent with the estimate. The best thing to do if you're determined to get in is queue and grind.
As a result of this system, it is damned near impossible to get in WSG as an Alliance group. Every time, we get in as a pick-up of 10 folks who likely haven't played together. Usually 2-4 of us know each other and have run together, and the rest are random people who may have never run WSG before, have no idea what to do, and refuse to listen when someone makes an attempt to organize us. As a result, when we wind up against an organized Horde team, for example (or worse, the Horde all-star team, with all 10 of them being guilded, on TS together, and all holding ranks 10-14), we get pounded. If we're exceptionally lucky, folks will listen and we'll manage to hold them off for 15 minutes and maybe even cap a flag. If we're not, we're down 3-0 in 10 minutes without any kills.
Rarely, though it does happen, we'll wind up in an evenly-balanced match. This usually means a lucky draw on Alliance side, with a handful of ranked folks who know each other and have played together before, as well as some cooperative randoms, and a pick-up of Hordies who are new or not well-organized. These matches tend to go on for a long time and are evenly matched.
Ever rarer, we'll get a draw of all experienced PvPers on one side, and actually manage to give even the all-star team a run for their money. Unfortunately on my server when this happens, the Horde tends to AFK out. The "all-star" team would rather farm CP, and it's faster to AFK, requeue, and get back in against a worthless team in 3 minutes than it would be to duke it out with real competition for an hour and possibly lose.
At any rate, WSG is fun as hell, but it takes a lot of patience and a willingness to lose, and badly.
This is something I'm concerned about too. I'm not a casual player and my rogue is about to hit 60. However, in a week I go back to uni and become a casual player. My gear is far from awesome for a level 59, weapons are the Thrash Blade and Lifeforce Dirk. My blues are quests rewards and instance drops no higher than ST. I'm more green than blue.
I've really enjoyed battlegrounds at every level i've been in at so far, but haven't been in after 50 because I didn't feel like getting killed inside 3 seconds. I am willing to listen and work as a team though, but I suppose one extra person doesn't help that much. I play Horde though and while we do have a better reputation, on my server we are the higher population side (something like 57:43, H/A). Looks like I should get a game when I want one though, there seems to be at least one WSG running for the 60s all the time, sometimes up to 3. We even had some AV running the past couple of weeks.
I'll see how it goes though, maybe if I get few blues from the level 60 instances i'll be ok. No guild to help though, my guild is all level 40 ish >_>
I pug is an old term for "pub players" basically casual gamers who log on at internet cafes... random term but there you go.
Basically a Pug is a bunch of random players.
If you join as a pug you will get obliterated.
My guild does level 60 WSG all the time and we win at least half.
We all join at the same time and use team speak this is the key.
If we play against pugs ( random horde players ) then we win within 10 minutes 3-0 every time , you just slaugher them.
If we play against another horde guild its a 50-50 contest as both are organised.
Also level 59 is too low for Battlegrounds, you need to be at least level 60 and I would recomend that you have at least 4/8 of your tier one rogue set and have at least 3 or 4 other blues from strath/scholo/ubrs and dire maul.
Again - Level 60 is the minimum.
I dont have uber gear, just most of my tier one set as does most of our WSG combat team, none of us has special gear, its jsut that we work as a team with team speak that the key, not gear.
I know it, but no one on the alliance side likes PVP. They love farming items, and gold like pansies.
Yay.
Haha that is so true! They love sitting on their epic mounts and showing off their epic sets and weapons, but you could easily kick any one of them in the butt in a real PvP scenario. It's sad. Even though killing Ragnaros can net you fantastic items, noone in the big-shot-guilds ever PvP. I fail to see why they are even on a PvP-server in the first place.
It's just sad to see Nightslayer rogues standing around dueling.
Back on topic:
I loved WSG at lvl 40. I loved it at lvl 50. I HATE it at lvl 60. People are not nearly enough organized for it, atleast on Alliance. We also had an "Allstar" Horde guild owning everything in WSG. Ultimately Alliance simply stopped playing. Just to get owned even harder in AV. It sucks.
We have these four horde guys on our server that can kill any 10 man alliance group. They leave 6 defenders at base and send these four bad boys in who are able to own the entire joint within minutes.
They have nick names like "Freight train, steam roller etc" They can pretty much all one or two hit kill most alliance pugs.
I pug is an old term for "pub players" basically casual gamers who log on at internet cafes... random term but there you go.
Basically a Pug is a bunch of random players.
If you join as a pug you will get obliterated.
My guild does level 60 WSG all the time and we win at least half.
We all join at the same time and use team speak this is the key.
If we play against pugs ( random horde players ) then we win within 10 minutes 3-0 every time , you just slaugher them.
If we play against another horde guild its a 50-50 contest as both are organised.
Also level 59 is too low for Battlegrounds, you need to be at least level 60 and I would recomend that you have at least 4/8 of your tier one rogue set and have at least 3 or 4 other blues from strath/scholo/ubrs and dire maul.
Again - Level 60 is the minimum.
I dont have uber gear, just most of my tier one set as does most of our WSG combat team, none of us has special gear, its jsut that we work as a team with team speak that the key, not gear.
One problem with that Gaza. On my server as alliance, trying to get in as a group means a guaranteed wait of several hours. Joining alone means 1 hour or so.
One problem with that Gaza. On my server as alliance, trying to get in as a group means a guaranteed wait of several hours. Joining alone means 1 hour or so.
1 hour.
yikes thats not much fun. What about during prime time? or is that prime time?
Just wanted to input something that ya probably already know, but I didn't see it anywhere in the posts so thought I'd add it: They are going to change the ranges in the new patch so that lvl60s have their own WsG groups and the rest are 50-59, 40-49 and so on...
And Gaza, I always thought pug stood for pick-up group... :happy53:
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