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Scenario: I dueled a mage(level 60) on my level 58 rogue. I ambushed him, he blinks, I vanish and cheap shot him. After that, he novas, sheeps, and bandages. Now, he does the usual, Frostbolt, and continue. I get him down over half, and he uses a potion. I still havn't used any health altering effects. I continue to fight. He beats me, I have low health, he has 1/5 th health.
Then he said "Did you really expect to beat a mage with an some epics?". I reply "Nothing can stop me from trying, atleast you had to pot and Bandage.". He laughs, calls me a noob. Debate continues. He keep calling me a Noob for A) Not being 60 on tht server, B) Not having any Epics, and C) Not having an enchant on my newly gotten Sacred Charge (Just ran UBRS before dueling him).
Now, Mage says he is from an Elite Guild, the *best* guild on the server, I refute it by telling him Best is an opinion, and he laughs at me again, calling me a noob.
Anyways, the point is, is using Health Altering Effects, aside from class abillities to heal (Priest, Paladins, Shammies, etc) fair in duels?
I always ask at the start, make sure its an "anything goes duel" or an "Equipment only duel"
Technically in duels its bad manners to use pots / bandages / trinkets.
Most players dont know this, so before a fight I would just check on the rules, or tell them that you play by such and such rule just to make it fair.
It is a tough call - for example lets say a Warrior (blacksmith/mining) versus a warrior (herbalism/alchemy)
Ok so lets look at this scenario the blacksmith says no pots then is it fair that the warrior with blacksmithing can use the epic armor that he made, yet the warrior who is an alchemist cant use the pots that he makes?
So dueling is definately not clear cut and its not entirely fair with alot of grey areas depending on what rules are used.
The other thing to look at as well is that a duel doesnt get you any reputation or honor points so if some guy wants to waste some pots on a duel is there really that much harm done?
Scenario: I dueled a mage(level 60) on my level 58 rogue. I ambushed him, he blinks, I vanish and cheap shot him. After that, he novas, sheeps, and bandages. Now, he does the usual, Frostbolt, and continue. I get him down over half, and he uses a potion. I still havn't used any health altering effects. I continue to fight. He beats me, I have low health, he has 1/5 th health.
Then he said "Did you really expect to beat a mage with an some epics?". I reply "Nothing can stop me from trying, atleast you had to pot and Bandage.". He laughs, calls me a noob. Debate continues. He keep calling me a Noob for A) Not being 60 on tht server, B) Not having any Epics, and C) Not having an enchant on my newly gotten Sacred Charge (Just ran UBRS before dueling him).
Now, Mage says he is from an Elite Guild, the *best* guild on the server, I refute it by telling him Best is an opinion, and he laughs at me again, calling me a noob.
Anyways, the point is, is using Health Altering Effects, aside from class abillities to heal (Priest, Paladins, Shammies, etc) fair in duels?
First off you need to add a "Bandaging is ok pot is not" option for your poll. I voted yes because of bandaging and trinkets.
This is a very touchy topic imo.
My take: I think bandaging is ok in duels because you can "mess it up" by hitting them. Of course some classes have an advantage like sheeping and stunlocking but that's ok. Using health/mana pots = big no no for me. I don't know why but I just think instant 1,000 health isn't that fair. I don't think it's ok to use alchemy pots that increase your strength etc either but that one I let it pass sometimes unless I lose horribly. If I lose horribly I ask for a rematch with no pots. Item/trinkets that heal you are ok.
Of course in regular pvp though...use every single potion you have :P
I have seen a lot of tricks in a duel plus a lot of things that would raise the "what if factor."
Duels are important to me, they are sign for me how well my character is doing and how well I am doing in the essence of PvP. That being said my guy beat pretty much anyone without epics or otherwise. Mages, warlocks, warriosr doesn't matter I tend to win against most.
But a few duels would raise the question, "Is that fair...or would you win IF you didn't use ..."
IE a person using a pot. I feel that this is entirely not a "fair" situation. Since potions are the factor of that not everyone has one and it nots a fair situation.
This could be said about bandages, however everyone can bandage. Not everyone has a potion. Plus bandaging takes time and can be interrupted. A potion is usually instant 700plus HP (depending on potion).
So as the saying goes Bandages okay Pots are a no. In the instance of PvP I feel anything goes. Whatever you wanna use. Use it.
But also what about the HUGE cooldown class skills. I have seen people sink low enough to use them, and then refute by saying "Its a class skill thus you can't complain"
As example I was 58 at the time on my Tauren Fury Warrior, and I dueled a level 60 paladin. Had him on the ropes the whole time, dropped him down he bubbled and healed dropped him back down. When he did something I wouldn't expect someone in a duel to do. He stunned me, since his was LOM I figured one heal maybe but instead he drops Hands on himself and full heals. I was probably 1/4th at the time and after running a paladin down twice I wasn't able to go for the third time. A friend watching said "wow lost to a paladin huh" I felt that was someone a wrong statement since, 1 that skill yes is a class skill but for the next HOUR he is unable to do it again. So were we to duel again he would lose plus while adventuring that skill is not open. Is it worth it to win a duel once? For the sake of arguement had I used, say recklessness on him the duel would have been done in those 15 secs. Healing, Bubble or Hands. The DPS I do while recklessness is quite insane.
I just feel that those types of class skills with more than a 5min cooldown should not be permitted in duels. Just an opinion, since you can argue it is a class skill. But not one where you can wait on to duel again to see if it made the difference.
Heriomortis 59 Tauren Fury Warrior (Hand of The Forsaken)
Feathermoon
I have seen a lot of tricks in a duel plus a lot of things that would raise the "what if factor."
Duels are important to me, they are sign for me how well my character is doing and how well I am doing in the essence of PvP. That being said my guy beat pretty much anyone without epics or otherwise. Mages, warlocks, warriosr doesn't matter I tend to win against most.
But a few duels would raise the question, "Is that fair...or would you win IF you didn't use ..."
IE a person using a pot. I feel that this is entirely not a "fair" situation. Since potions are the factor of that not everyone has one and it nots a fair situation.
This could be said about bandages, however everyone can bandage. Not everyone has a potion. Plus bandaging takes time and can be interrupted. A potion is usually instant 700plus HP (depending on potion).
So as the saying goes Bandages okay Pots are a no. In the instance of PvP I feel anything goes. Whatever you wanna use. Use it.
But also what about the HUGE cooldown class skills. I have seen people sink low enough to use them, and then refute by saying "Its a class skill thus you can't complain"
As example I was 58 at the time on my Tauren Fury Warrior, and I dueled a level 60 paladin. Had him on the ropes the whole time, dropped him down he bubbled and healed dropped him back down. When he did something I wouldn't expect someone in a duel to do. He stunned me, since his was LOM I figured one heal maybe but instead he drops Hands on himself and full heals. I was probably 1/4th at the time and after running a paladin down twice I wasn't able to go for the third time. A friend watching said "wow lost to a paladin huh" I felt that was someone a wrong statement since, 1 that skill yes is a class skill but for the next HOUR he is unable to do it again. So were we to duel again he would lose plus while adventuring that skill is not open. Is it worth it to win a duel once? For the sake of arguement had I used, say recklessness on him the duel would have been done in those 15 secs. Healing, Bubble or Hands. The DPS I do while recklessness is quite insane.
I just feel that those types of class skills with more than a 5min cooldown should not be permitted in duels. Just an opinion, since you can argue it is a class skill. But not one where you can wait on to duel again to see if it made the difference.
Heriomortis 59 Tauren Fury Warrior (Hand of The Forsaken)
Feathermoon
Dont forget paper scissors rocks
warriors are not supposed to be able to beat Paladins, fact.
Same as Priests arent supposed to be able to beat Shamens, etc.
or a mage shouldnt be able to beat a priest.
There are some classes where you will find it easy to beat, some where it is impossible to win and some where its 50/50 (assuming you both have the same level of skill and a similar value gear setup.)
I allow Bandages. It takes skill and timing to use bandages. Healing and Mana are a big no no.
and Zann..post once more.
Done and Done.
Anyone can bandage, true. Even if I have the most powerful bandages at my side, I believe it is a a sign of Cowardice to pull off these tricks. Never will you see me blind and bandage, nor will you see me pot in duels. PvE, however, it is not about honor. However, I don;t se why anyone would do that in PvE, outside of instances that is.
The only way you can hope to improve yourself against a class is to not bandage, but try our very best, see what works, and take note of it.
The Rock Paper Scissors class thing is correct. However, it is sad when a warrior has to Intimidaiting shout a rogue and bandage. I am really starting to hate people and their bandage dependancy.
A good way to equalize out special class abilities is to do a best-of-three or best-of-five duel. This seriously reduces the impact of 1 hour or 30 min abilities and means that you will need to use a variety of skills and tactic to win.
Duels are 'artificial' PvP. They only resemble true PvP. As such if you want to use duels to test your PvP skills you need to make the situation resemble open PvP.
I would like a third option, something like 'I don't care'. It's just a duel, it's not PvP, talk about the rules or do whatever you want. And you should put that mage on your ignore list ;)
My opinion is that this is not Diablo 2. You can't just chug potions like there's no tomorrow. Everything has a cooldown. Furthermore, everything is made by a profession, by a player, you can't just go to a vendor and buy them.
It's much like gaza said, if an alchemist can't use his potions, shouldn't an engineer be allowed to use his trinkets, goggles and whatnot? Shouldn't a blacksmith be allowed to use his great armor or sword that he made?
Duels in WoW is not just about there and then, it's also about preparation. Use whatever means you can to get the win.
Of course, as with everything, set the rules beforehand and you're all good.
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