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Okay ... Screw WSG. Alliance always -- and I mean out of 30+ runs, ALWAYS loses... ANyone got a definitive stragety to share?? I really really miss Arathi Basin after this weekend :) We do rather well there, but put us into a smaller arena and OH NO we dont know wtf to do...
We agree that 3-5 shoudl stay back and protect the flag, the others flank and run up the side, grab the flag and get back here.... What do the defense people do? They decide well, we're bored, so were goin to run around too... Horde jump down from the top usually, steal the flag, and adios. You got 10 horde there, and 10 on the way back and getting the flag back is near impossible...
Quite frankly Im pretty sick of WSG. Make it a 2x honor AB weekend!!
Can't play D initially because they'll all just zerg u and then you're dead. When I play all players usually stick together (both horde and alliance) and grab the opponent's flag. After that the battles usually begin in the battlefield.
I don't normally see any hardcore D being played until we're down 0-2.
Best tactic our guild has is to all stick together in one group of 10. First we make sure we have the Horde flag, then we worry about our flag. But since we move in a group we allways meet a few horde on the way back holding our flag, put it this way 10 Allience vs 3-5 Horde and you can guess how the Horde does. They die instantly. Try this one with Guild members and friends (It dont work with randoms, they never listen).
First I wanna start by saying screw all Alliance yall suck REST IN PISS but I will give you punks one strategy out of pity..ahahah..if you have hunters make them leave their pets at the flag on aggressive for defense have atleast 1or 2 hunters stay behind.This way you have people on the frontline and people at the base at all times.When the enemy approaches the tunnels coming for the flag.. somebody yell incoming to the inside hunter flag defenders then they can set firetraps all over the flag base.So the intruder will have to fight off the pets 2 hunters and will be taking multiple fire damage they shouldnt make it out alive!This has proven successful with 5 pets at the flag and two hunters setting firetraps!
Played alot of WSG this weekend, big fan of the double honor. As alliance, we actually had a 50% win rate. Our strat was to begin the game in a 4-2-4 set, with 4 D, 2 midfield to harrass and 4 up front to put pressure on the flag. The way it worked in the beginning was that we had the 6 taking on the incoming zerg rush, taking out 2-4 of them, and by the time the remaining six made it to the flag our defense had enough time to slow them down while the midfielders repopped. To the base the midfielders went, finished off the remaining group of horde zerg action while the 4 offense continued to head toward the flag. Once the initial zerg was shooed off, we switched to a 3-2-5 formation. The midfielders would position themselves to the left of the eastern rock to keep an eye on the horde gy, and to the right of the eastern bush to keep an eye on tunnel and ramp activity.
I'd say that the strongest tactic we did was to actually play as a team, and when our GY was starting to get full, our midfield and offense would congregate near the beginning of the alliance tunnel until we returned to full strength. This kept the horde from being able to put a great deal of pressure on the flag.
Eventually, the horde switched to an entirely defensive set up, with 9 of 10 defending their flag. The game slow a tad, so we brought another defender up to midfield, sent a mid in, and had a 2-2-6 set. It was amusing when those six broke through the horde D to get the flag out to midfield, and then the mids just provided a roadblock, allowing the flag runner to make it back home.
Warsong is bugged as hell. there are many ways to cheat in that dump. That's why noone plays it anymore. Blizz is aware of the bugs or hacks and don't care.. So my advice is not to go. I have seen a rogue drop the flag and pick it up 6 times in a row while being beat on and get away. I have seen pallys with there shield up and the flag.. Even seen them mounted with it... Has always been bugged or hacked on my server. But we still win 50% of the time. -UD warrior
I apologise in advance, this is going to be long, but please bear with me, its something i've wanted to get off my chest for a long time. I have played a lot of BG recently with my lvl 58 NE hunter (Bloodprow: Argent Dawn). I played a lot of wsg as well with my lvl 60 rogue (Shadowsong). I of course noticed that Alliance lose all the time and it got me thinking. Now, some of the people in my gaming clan [HH] play as Horde on shadowsong and one of them is Eyez, who anyone who does PvP on that server will have heard of, so these guys know their pvp. Ok, the point is coming don't worry. So I start discussing with them about horde's constant pwnage of BG. Heres the explanation that was given to me and some of my own thoughts.
Most servers have an alliance:horde ratio of around 3-5:1 in favour of alliance. That means that with a smaller horde population they have smaller queues for BG, and find it easier to preform raids. On alliance the queues can be very very long, and I don't know if its true, but the wait when you premake a group seems to be even longer, and as time ticks by ppl leave the raid and join as individuals. So, 90% of the time (completely guessed but probably right statistic) in AB for example its 15 random alliance versus 15 horde with a pre-made plan and everyone knowing what they should be doing. As anyone knows, 15 average spec/skilled players working as a team will always beat 15 epixed/1337 players playing as individuals, because the principal of teamwork is the same whatever the team activity is.
Which leads me nicely to my next point. Most of the guys doing pvp on horde (or so I'm told) already know what the tactics and fighting methods are. So when they enter, the leader tells them which tactics they will be doing and everyone knows what to do and more importantly, what to do if things go tits-up. Compare that to alliance. It usually takes the whole 1st minute to form the raid party and many times before today, i've still been asking for an invite, or waiting for replies to my invites halfway through the battle, so there is effectively no meaningful discussions about tactics. In my experience, most of the time at least half of the alliance team has no idea about the tactics, and start running around trying to farm hk's and take flags, well they always end up on the end for a 4 - 5 man zerg and are therefore useless to the team for up to a minute.
Don't get me wrong, its not impossible. I have been in preformed raids and raids made in there that just went well and we won, but that was only because ppl listened and followed directions. The top and bottom of it I think is that until disparities in faction population even out, or more people on alliance learn just what the hell they are supposed to be doing in there, WSG and AB will remain honour farming grounds for Horde, so theres no point whinging and screaming about it, if you want to fix it, learn how to play it.
edit: whinging and screaming comments NOT directed at OP, but at ppl who /y in the BG and in IF about it.
I apologise in advance, this is going to be long, but please bear with me, its something i've wanted to get off my chest for a long time. I have played a lot of BG recently with my lvl 58 NE hunter (Bloodprow: Argent Dawn). I played a lot of wsg as well with my lvl 60 rogue (Shadowsong). I of course noticed that Alliance lose all the time and it got me thinking. Now, some of the people in my gaming clan [HH] play as Horde on shadowsong and one of them is Eyez, who anyone who does PvP on that server will have heard of, so these guys know their pvp. Ok, the point is coming don't worry. So I start discussing with them about horde's constant pwnage of BG. Heres the explanation that was given to me and some of my own thoughts.
Most servers have an alliance:horde ratio of around 3-5:1 in favour of alliance. That means that with a smaller horde population they have smaller queues for BG, and find it easier to preform raids. On alliance the queues can be very very long, and I don't know if its true, but the wait when you premake a group seems to be even longer, and as time ticks by ppl leave the raid and join as individuals. So, 90% of the time (completely guessed but probably right statistic) in AB for example its 15 random alliance versus 15 horde with a pre-made plan and everyone knowing what they should be doing. As anyone knows, 15 average spec/skilled players working as a team will always beat 15 epixed/1337 players playing as individuals, because the principal of teamwork is the same whatever the team activity is.
Which leads me nicely to my next point. Most of the guys doing pvp on horde (or so I'm told) already know what the tactics and fighting methods are. So when they enter, the leader tells them which tactics they will be doing and everyone knows what to do and more importantly, what to do if things go tits-up. Compare that to alliance. It usually takes the whole 1st minute to form the raid party and many times before today, i've still been asking for an invite, or waiting for replies to my invites halfway through the battle, so there is effectively no meaningful discussions about tactics. In my experience, most of the time at least half of the alliance team has no idea about the tactics, and start running around trying to farm hk's and take flags, well they always end up on the end for a 4 - 5 man zerg and are therefore useless to the team for up to a minute.
Don't get me wrong, its not impossible. I have been in preformed raids and raids made in there that just went well and we won, but that was only because ppl listened and followed directions. The top and bottom of it I think is that until disparities in faction population even out, or more people on alliance learn just what the hell they are supposed to be doing in there, WSG and AB will remain honour farming grounds for Horde, so theres no point whinging and screaming about it, if you want to fix it, learn how to play it.
edit: whinging and screaming comments NOT directed at OP, but at ppl who /y in the BG and in IF about it.
I am in a small guild (50) And most of the time we don't go togather in BG . Some are in instance or on a alt. So I am usually in a pick up group and we are in the same boat. Noone listens and we loose to organized Allys. There was a guy who just joined guild who said a certain Ally guild has never been beat. So we got our guys to gather went in que to see if we could beat them... We whooped there ass stupid and the new guildy said you guys are the best I never thought I'd see the day. We are not the best just organized . Team work is everything. If you got 15 people in a guild on vent like we were and playing 15 guys not on vent and not knowing whta's going on u have no shot. Find a guild who loves BG and has TS or Vent and join. simple solution
Team work is everything. If you got 15 people in a guild on vent like we were and playing 15 guys not on vent and not knowing whta's going on u have no shot. Find a guild who loves BG and has TS or Vent and join. simple solution
Totally agree, however I am keen to know which server it is where Horde are not organised and lose a lot, cos I'm rolling on that one :) Seriously though, I am only saying what horde pvp'ers have said to me as we have discussed alliance's haplessness. If thats not the case then please say more about it, but what I have heard seems to make sense to me.
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