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with the new BGs and no wait (for us horde at least) how long do you think it will take me to reach exalted with either WSG or AB? I'd like to before the expansion to get goodies.
I am not part of a set team, I am trying to find one though since I'm sure it will go faster on one. (I've found at 60 horde pugs can't simply steamroll alliance pugs anymore not sure if that's due to gear or what. but anyway I digress.)
I'm already exalted with AV, so I'm not sure the time in AV to get For Great Honor would be worth it.
I'm currently:
850/6000 friendly with warsong
150/3000 nuetral with Defilers.
yes, i neglected to pvp much.
I play a priest.
I like the defiler exalted gear.
I also like the warsong gear.
I guess if i compromise i could settle for honored with warsong (for the Advisor's Ring) and still try for exalted with defilers
Not long at all. I have pulled down 8k rep in a single day without trouble with a few hours in a premade. Since you talk about the defilers, you must be horde- thus you even stand a chance PUGging it.
It's 150 or 155 per match before bonuses for a win, and the faster that you win, the faster that you'll rack up the rep. Requeue as soon as you come out, hand in the tokens in the 10 seconds or so before the BG pops- then no worries about how many you have in your bags. It's worth queueing for both WSG and AB, so that if you come up against a premade, you can jump into the other one without losing time to a deserter debuff, and have another chance at facing a PUG.
I generally reckoned to make 3k+ rep per evening during "normal" PUG play. If you play a lot, you'll beat this easily. If you really want the rep fast, you can get into a premade, though this does sometimes take all of the challenge out of it, but you'll make insane amounts of rep, especially during bonus weekends.
It is my experience that horde pugs still do steamroller alliance onces. It really isn't hard to complete the quest to cap 5 bases to get the AB exalted tabard- you just mention to the other players that you have the quest and ask if you can push for five this time, and watch the fireworks; it's not as if you need to hold all of them for any amount of time, anyway.
PUGs will be significantly worse at weekends in the daytime, and weekdays in the early evening, as a lot of kids will be playing. They tend to lack basic class skills, attention span, and spent most of the match cursing, swearing and screaming "noob" at each other while farming HKs miles from objectives. Often it's better to play when the kids have gone to bed, for the sake of your own sanity.
However, generally horde still tramples all over alliance in PUGged BGs. I can't be bothered to get my alliance toons into a PM, so I shan't be worrying about PvP gear for them :)
It takes 840 losses to become exaulted with WSG at 50 rep a turnin of 3 honor tokens. In my battlegroup, there isn't much other choice than lose. I never thought cross-realm battlegrounds would make WSG harder. Before the horde were epic'd out... now they're epic'd and legondaried out.
It takes 840 losses to become exaulted with WSG at 50 rep a turnin of 3 honor tokens. In my battlegroup, there isn't much other choice than lose. I never thought cross-realm battlegrounds would make WSG harder. Before the horde were epic'd out... now they're epic'd and legondaried out.
Do stop whining . It's not the people with PvE epics you need to worry about, it's the people who know how to play.
A good PvPer in decent blue PvP gear will wipe the floor with most classes in PvE epics. It's particularly amusing to see a mage in full tier 2 get oneshotted by a shammy. Seeing a hunter in a mix of dragonstalker and cryptstalker being torn to bits by a priest in blues, well, it's just poetry.
Cuts both ways, try raid healing in the high rank PvP armour, see how far it gets you.. :)
Do stop whining . It's not the people with PvE epics you need to worry about, it's the people who know how to play.
A good PvPer in decent blue PvP gear will wipe the floor with most classes in PvE epics. It's particularly amusing to see a mage in full tier 2 get oneshotted by a shammy. Seeing a hunter in a mix of dragonstalker and cryptstalker being torn to bits by a priest in blues, well, it's just poetry.
Cuts both ways, try raid healing in the high rank PvP armour, see how far it gets you.. :)
haha yep i love my preist what can i say... hunters are pretty easy when you get close. for me it's - get shot by an arrow, see the pet (ignore it move on to the hunter). inner focus, shield,VE, SWP, DP, get up to ranged but to close for arrows, fear, MB, MF, MF, MF died.
haha yep i love my preist what can i say... hunters are pretty easy when you get close. for me it's - get shot by an arrow, see the pet (ignore it move on to the hunter). inner focus, shield,VE, SWP, DP, get up to ranged but to close for arrows, fear, MB, MF, MF, MF died.
Of course, the rare really good hunters will recall pet, scatter shot, feign and ice trap, and then mark and aimed shot, conc shot and then just walk backwards shooting hell out of you.. but few are rarely that calm and collected. You'd be amazed how many high-rank hunters just lose the plot totally when a priest runs straight at them with murder in their eyes. It's even funnier when it's a horde priest in r10 or chreater armour and shadowform- they look so totally evil that people panic on sight.
My only grumble is that when I am playing my alliance raiding priest in a BG, I have the killing power of a heavily sedated kitten. My mindblasts crit for about 800 rather than the 2k that I am used to on my pvp priest, and I have no mind flay- NOES! Oh yeah, and no shadow form means that I no longer have physical dmg reduction that puts the hunter's epic mail to shame, takes a little time to adjust to that one. I did some WSG premade with what may turn out to be my new raiding guild last night, and while we won every single game (including against other premades), I couldn't just storm around the place slaughtering, I had to shadowmeld, and worst yet, run away! For shame!
Actually, the nicest match we had was against a PUG which seemed to be mostly rogues- it was really hard. Wherever we went, there were rogues.. our base had horde rogues like other places have rats. Some of the premades that we faced gave up after the first cap or two and just let us win when it was clear that they didn't have a chance. However, to give them their due, this rogue-heavy PUG fought tooth and nail to the very last second and went down fighting. All credit to them, and if anyone reading this was in that rogue-heavy PUG against a Bronzebeard premade late last night, well, I salute you and thank you for one of the most exciting WSGs in ages
Gormash:
In WSG and AB, you can form a raid and then join as a group. This is known as a premade. They tend to have an inherent advantage in that they work as a team and play to fairly tight tactics- often using voice comms of some kind to co-ordinate on the fly. A lot of PUGs in BGs seem to consist mainly of kids screaming txtspk obscenities at each other and arguing about who is the greatest "noob", and thus the actual standard of play is often utterly abysmal, which is why PUGs generally lose against premades.
That said, I have lead a few horde AB PUGs which have wiped the floor with alliance premades, and that's a very sweet kind of victory.
. It's not the people with PvE epics you need to worry about, it's the people who know how to play. 
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