AQ20: When are you ready for it?

eXeel · 02-10-2006, 04:10 PM

As AQ40 and 20 came at the same time, after BWL, I'm having a hard time placing it. BWL was after MC. AQ40 after BWL or alongside with, though harder in the end. Naxx is only for those with great gear and a serious attitude + money for flasks, potions etc.

But AQ20... Where do I place that?
We're a guild that enjoys UBRS and started ZG two weeks ago, killing off Venoxis on first try but lacked dps and healing + CT_RaidAssist for Jeklik, though our second trip to ZG had os downing Venox, Jeklik, Spider and Mandokir. With heavy dps, but 1-2 Priests, 1½ Druid and 2 Paladins.

When will it be appropriate to venture into AQ20? No, I'm not talking about getting one boss kill, but being able to take on at least 3-4 of them without everyone having 100+ Nature Resistance?
Help me get a picture of this. We're mostly people in blues, some has a couple epics or five. Crafted or gotten from trips with better guilds to 40 man raids.

Thanks in advance :)

Mallstrop · 02-10-2006, 04:33 PM

My first raid group killed the first 2 bosses while working on ZG, we didn't even try the other bosses but they do get a bit tougher after those 2.

I'd say you could try AQ20 at the same time you start ZG, but the snake, bat and spider of ZG are probably worth doing first.

Dynatos · 02-10-2006, 04:36 PM

No NR is needed for AQ20, aside for Hunters on Ayamiss.

I'd place the start of AQ20 on par with You could probably get away with trying right now. Kurinaxx isn't difficult, especially if you can already down Mandokir in ZG. Rajaxx is an endurance fight, but with a few attempts you should be able to down him. Buru is pretty easy once you know the kiting path and strategy to kill him. Moam is, well, Moam.

Ossirian is tricky; it might be a while before you can successfully down his Anubesiths and Ossi himself.

The only problem I see is your lack of healing. 2 Druids, 2 Paladins, and 2 Priest would be ok. 1 Priest, 1 Druid, and 2 Paladins may make learning AQ20 overly difficult.

Hayek · 02-10-2006, 05:09 PM

AQ20 isn't that demanding gearwise, except for the optional bosses (you want good dps for Ayamiss and Buru). The rest (Kurinaxx, Rajaxx , Moam and Ossirian, thats all there is) is mainly a tactics heavy fight. If your tactics are sound, you should be able to make the encounters work with gear from the top 5 man instances. Do bring the right classes however; if you are low on DPS, 3 locks for Moam is a good idea.

However, I wouldnt recommend doing AQ20 just yet. It seems your group is very fresh at raiding, and after Rajaxx AQ20 requires a much more drilled raid than ZG (excluding Jindo). You could try, but especially Ossi is really tricky, and you'll risk wiping on each of the 8 or so thrash mobs before him. If I were you, I'd first do some more ZG. Try to get the pather boss and Hakkar down. If you can do that, you have a reasonable chance of getting past Rajaxx (the second boss) if you dont mind a steep learning curve. Before that you'll probably get more frustration than you bargained for.

Dynatos · 02-10-2006, 05:14 PM

From what I've seen, Rajaxx is the execution wall for many folks in AQ20. 8 waves of mobs requires some good mana regeneration for the healers and some even better execution on part of the tanks. Who to tank, where to tank them, and how to hold aggro of the incoming waves is key.

CreslinHellscream · 02-10-2006, 05:20 PM

Rajaxx is very easy now they nurfed the hp of the adds and how much Damage rajaxx himself does.. All you need to do for it is heal the General guy through the waves and it really is very easy to keep everyone alive with his neat healing buff.

AeroJonesy · 02-10-2006, 05:39 PM

If I had to rank them, it would look like this:

UBRS < ZG < AQ20 < MC < BWL < AQ40 < Naxx

And I might be giving MC too much credit. As a previous poster mentioned, other than Ayamiss, you don't need any NR for AQ20.

Twoflower · 02-10-2006, 10:44 PM

you do not need nature resi at all in AQ 20. Tank ayamiss whit 2 mages who iceblock when poison stacks too much, problem solved.

speaking of it, you dont need nature resis in aq 40 either except for viscidus and 15 people at huhuran.

this entire nature resis craze is made up.

Dynatos · 02-10-2006, 11:11 PM

Yeah, but Huhu is a HUGE NR check for those 15 people. It's also very much needed on Viscidus ... for everyone. In addition, it helps on the trash mobs after Fankriss. Kinda like it helps to have FR on MC trash after Garr.

If you think about it, by your reasoning the FR craze was made up too. You can successfully clear all but Ragnaros in MC with noone but your tanks in decent FR. The same goes for BWL; you can clear all but Vael with only your tanks in FR.

Wasabee · 03-10-2006, 12:47 AM

I've been in the guild that you guys are. (2 in fact)

Get ZG Down. Get CT raid and Vent/TS. Talking out strategy is 20X better.

Once you get ZG down...alot of the mechanics of raiding will be learned. Plus you get loot! You also know who can hang with what roles...

Also you get 2 tries a week to "gear up".

When you get to AQ 20. It's a lot to learn. (Strategies, etc.) The second boss will make you poop you pants! Once you guys get him on Spank...then you'll be that much more prepared for the rest...

I'd even say start MC...just to get a cope of what "raiding" is all about.