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I do not know how prevalent it is on other servers or on the Horde side, but there is a sad trend occuring on the alliance side on my server.
I have seen several groups people spamming to create a custom AB group whose sole purpose is to all stay at trollbane hall and become 5 capped so they can get a quick token and pick up some quick honor from farming the 5 cappers who come to trollbane to farm them.
I think this is a disgrace to the pvp system, blizzard needs to take away the token for losing completely if this keeps happening. Also they need to make it so that teams that queue up in 5,10,15 increments all fight one another in AB and WSG and people that join solo can just fight pug vs. pug. That way removing the token for losing won't be as unfair
But i think that teams that queue in as a pre-made or a partial pre-made should get more honor since they are playing at a higher level than a pug and it requires more organization. Which makes sense to me.
I'm just getting tired how poeple get rewarded for losing and now people are exploiting that option. A system that promotes losing as an acceptable alternative is flawed. There is no more honor or glory in PvP anymore. Thats why I am looking foward to Arena battles hopefully that doesn't become tainted like the BG's are now.
These people are probably the same ones who keep getting steamrolled by tier 2.5/tier 3 horde premade groups in AB.
about 40% of the ab's I do are against these groups. If you are in a pug, you ARE going to get 5 capped, and it is going to be less than 5 minutes. The best way to get honor in this situation is to farm Hk's at the graveyard. If you need marks this is a sure way to get probably 10 marks an hour.
If you can hold the stables, and get 4-1 cap with all your fighting there its even better.
Competing and winning is the best, but with the system the way it is do your best to try and get some honor!
I agree that these people are the ones who constantly get steamrolled. But it seems so illogical. You would think they would team up and make a custom to get some payback and steamroll pugs or compete at some level with a custom and get some pride and dignity back. It seems so funny to me at least to go through the trouble of finding 15 people with the sole intention of losing. Just stay solo and the same thing happens for the most part. People have no confidence in this game. I go into every BG thinking I can win, of course once the rest of the team gives up its pretty much a moot point to try and rally them.
I'm not trying to blame these people for doing this, the system forces them to do this sort of activity. I think the changes I said up above would help make winning the only objective in a BG.
it sucks, im not on enough to really get a team together so i have to go into PUGS for PvP and they lose 99% of the time. if the tokens for losing were taken away, alot of us would be screwd and unable to get the PvP gear which would make the change crap.
Like I said I am only for taking away tokens if they make it so that pre-mades only match up against pre-mades and pugs vs. pugs. But if this happens I think its only fair to make the pre-made vs. pre-made matches garner more honor and tokens than pug vs. pug.
That is an interesting idea that I would support. So, in a PugvPug you would get say 3 tokens for a win and 1 token for a loss. In a PrevPre you would get say 4 tokens for a win but 0 for a loss. Is that an accurate summation?
I would give a 20-25% honor bonus for player kills and objective bonuses like capturing a flag or winning a game to the custom vs. custom format.
I would give no tokens to a losing team who did not try in either format. I would have no problem with giving a token to a losing team in AB or WSG if the follwing occurred:
WSG:
1) The losing team got at least 1 flag cap or 3-5 flag returns.
AB:
1) The losing team gets at least 500 points.
Those above requirements are sufficient to me at least that a team tried and put up an effort and deserve a token. But if a team gets 5 capped or rolled 0-3 in a pug vs pug or premade vs premade I think they only deserve the honor they got from pk's. I think this would promote teamwork and winning which is what I want to see from PvP.
I ran 23 ab's in the past few days winning only 3. I am guessing this is the experience for people on the alliance side. More honor most likely can be gained by farming Hk's. You can probably gain more tokens in this fashion as well.
In my experience, Horde dominates WSG and AB. Alliance wins about 75% of the av's I've been in.
Most people get their honor in AV then are simply in AB and WSG to get the required marks.
These comments of course exclude raiding guild or well geared and coordinated alliance ab groups who are steamrolling horde.
"ok, everyone que into AB 34"
"ok at 500 points run back to the graveyard"
People who play cheap will always find a way. I kind of like what you are saying, but it too is flawed. How soon till we see guilds from hoard and alliance teaming up and queing into the same match with the results planned out? This week the hoard guild wins all matches unchallenged - next week the allies get it. Both sides end up with tons of tokens, lots of honor and very little effort.
This would work in your new system or the current system. I think it would work better in your new system. I’m tempted to play cheap and just que all day and sit there for tokens so I can gear up and actually compete against the tier 3 people who rip my face off currently. Why not? I give them tons of honor for the first few months, then I gear up and try to take it back. I am semi joking - I hate this type of practice, but seriously, how are you supposed to talk someone out of it? A lot of reward, little work, not against the rules. Morally wrong, but I could argue that a T3 lvl 60 attacking a green/blue lvl 60 is even more morally wrong. lol.
rgirty - not sure what battlegroup your server is on, but I think we must be on the same one. You hit the nail on the head how our matches go. We actually yell through IF when Ally's actually win a AB match, but we roll over the hordies in AV all the time.
Wonder why this is? All the WSG and AB matches they killed us in up to AV got them hooked on killling us and they just can't get it through their head they are supposed to be killing a NPC. lol.
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