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Old 19-12-2006, 03:21 PM   #1
Denniskly
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AV Strategy

Hi, i'm new playing on AV, but before i started it i read about it on the internet (Yes, i'm often bored). Then when i started it i thought about this cool strategy. Maybe a lot of you guys won't do it, it's just, when i read about the Underground Assault, Cavalry, Aeiral Attack and Ultimate Monster, i thought it would be pretty cool. But when i started it, most people (to my dissapoitment) rather wanted to finish it quick instead of using stuff like Ultimate monsters etc.

So, maybe my strategy isn't the quickest or most secure in winning. But i think it's pretty funny and rewarding. If just ONE group of 40 could all use this strategy, it would be nice :D If anyone sees a weakness or something plz report on this thred.

Strategy will be shown in next post, since it's too big.
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Old 19-12-2006, 03:23 PM   #2
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Picture of Alterac Valley can be found here: http://wow-europe.com/en/info/basics...p-alterac.html

Okay, first of all this is a raid of 40 players, we divide into 8 groups of 5. (Experienced players may scroll down to Mission 1)

Winning Objective!: To win we need to kill the enemys General. The Hordes General is lying deep with the Frostwolf Keep, while the Alliance General is bored in Dun Baldar. But to get the funniest (and most rewarding) out of it, we need to, on the same time, need a Cavalry, a Underground Assault, an Aeiral Attack, and at last our Ultimate Monster. With all this on the same time we will thrash all of their towers, bunkers and Captains!!

Things you should know: When you are going to return Storm Crystals, the alliance druid who wants it is hiding behind one of your northern bunker, while the horde druid is in the cave under Frostwolf Keep.
Here is a little list over stuff you shouldn't sell or drop unless your enemys General got under 10% life:
Armor Scraps, Storm Crystals / Stormpike Soldier's Blood, Coldtooth- Irondeep Supplies, Forstwolf Hide / Alterac Ram Hide, Frostwolve Soldier- -Lieutnant- and -Commanders Medal, Stormpike Soldier -Lieutnant- and -Commanders Flesh.
Always remember to return your Armor Scraps, when you gathered a large amount. Oh, and also keep looting stuff from the enemy.
If the battle is getting on to your side of the field, call for help at the other groups.

List of Quests (not real quest name):
Group 1 Group 2-7 Group 8

Collect Supplies Rescue Wing Commanders Gather Skins (ram / wolf)
Tame Mounts Gather Loot Rescue Wing Commanders
Rescue Wing Commanders Gather Loot
Gather Loot

Mission 1 "Ground Assault": To launch an attack from the ground, we need supplies from the 2 mines on the battleground. When the game begins we need EVERYONE to go the "base" and get their respective quests (as mentioned above). Afterwards EVERYONE go and take over the mine closest to your position. Then everyone except group 1 starts charging towards the enemys "base"(the battle should be right now at the towers). Meanwhile, group 1 takes care of there mission: to gather alot of supplies for the Ground Assault. The other mine isn't needed, and since it's on the enemys side it's also too dangerous.

Mission 2 "Cavalry": When enough supplies are gathered for a Ground Assault, we need to think of the Cavalry. It need mounts, lots of mounts. So group 1 start taming Rams/Wolves for the base. Meanwhile group 8 sneaks out of the big battle and starts slaying Rams/Wolves on the enemys side of the field so they can get the skin for the warriors on the cavalry. After group 1 or 8 done with their part of the mission they go the battle.

Mission 3 "Aerial Attack": While mission 2 is developing and the battle (should) is moving towards the enemys base, all groups in the attack should search for Wing Commanders in the enemys base. When all are rescued and the cavalry also are ready, it's time for our final strike.

Mission 4 "All Gather Up!": Now everyone returns to the base with all of their loots (Armor Scraps, Storm Crystals / Stormpike Soldier's Blood etc.). Armor Scraps are returned so our NPC's should upgrade to the last level (hopefully, they already are :D). Storm Crystals / Stormpike Soldier's Blood so we can summon our Ultimate Monster. And Frostwolve Medals / Stormpike Flesh, so our Wing Commanders get ready for launch. Now we need 4 high-reputated players. One for ultimate, one for Cavalry, one for Aeiral Attack, and one for Ground Assault. Each of these players should be accompanied with 9 other players (so there are 2 groups at each attack wave), so our attacking NPC's are getting healed and buffed. Now we start summoning our Ultimate Monster, here we might need all 40 players to defend the summoning. When the summoning is complete the Monster will charge against the enemys base, meanwhile the groups go to their respective wave and start their wave as fast as possible, but for best results they should be started at same time as the summoning is completed. Now it's time!! The Cavalry, the Ground Assault and the Aerial Attack is charging toward the enemys base and should catch up with our Ultimate Monster, with it combined we should easily destroy every tower, bunker, Lieutnant's, Commanders and Captains!! At last, we should use all of our slay to destroy the general! If you succeed in this you are victorious! Congratz!!
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Old 19-12-2006, 05:45 PM   #3
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Whatever your strategy may be, if it involves more than "all turtle" or "all offense", you will need a premade raid and you need to get them all in the same AV. This is the most difficult part, but possible.

If you did manage it, I have almost no doubt you will win in less than 10 minutes, since at least the half of the opposite faction is aware your steamrolling premade and will not even leave their starting cave. The other half is too busy to dispute how to defend or if at all and getting at least some objectives. So there is no need for a "special" strategy after you got your raid in AV.

And it is illusory to manage a random group of 40 people to do anything complicated, and every order involving "all" will result in just a "few".
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Old 19-12-2006, 05:56 PM   #4
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Stratigy is all fun fine and good. but in my battle group horde has all but given up any chance to win AV. it's makes me so mad that you see 10 guys standing in the cave leaching honor. you ask them what they are doing and they say we cant win anyways. i hate this additude. personaly win or lose AV is the fastest way to honor solo. sure it would be nice to win once in a while but its hard when the players hearts are not into it.

i found specing for AV and living in there is some dam fast honor. i think out of 45 honor tolkens i have won 2x. horde needs a pep talk. all i read in BG/ chat is bunch of name calling and pissed off people.

what do you think i can say in AV to change things?
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Old 19-12-2006, 06:23 PM   #5
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You can "say" nothing in AV to change things, but you can do. If you have fun fighting others, just go with your offense to do the objectives. There will be always some of the opposite faction you can fight. If you like more defending, go defend. It is really that easy, just do what gives you the most fun. And please let the other do, what they think it is fun for them.

Please do not think, there is something EVERYONE should feel funny (like winning), because it is not.

I for example like the numbers of my Addon "Titan Yhonor" honor per hour the most. And this means, since I'm Ally, I am captured in AV because there I get the most honor per hour, BUT ONLY if the game ends in less than 30 minutes. I don't care if we win or lose (in my BG we win about 60%), but I care of the objectives and that they will be guarded, so every tick of +14 honor I'm more happy. I could't care less if there is a premade Horde against us and single-pull Vanndar in less than 10 minutes, as long as we get our 211 bonus honor from our objectives.

But your prayers are heard ;-) soon the Horde will be so well geared, that even 20 offense will easily beat 40 Ally defenders and the Elites, so there will be just the HK honor from killing some of the 20 attacker for us Allys. Yesterday I saw the first "Grunt Warlock" with full HWL equip, he alone steamrolled 5 of us, because we just have 1 or 2 parts of the FM armor and no GM weapon. (And of course we were lousy PvPers ;-) )

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Old 19-12-2006, 07:00 PM   #6
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I'm glad that when the NPC's where a part of AV i was able to get Exulted with them then. this is my plan now in AV. i go on offence and fight over SH and the flag on our side of bridge SP i think (that may be the other 1) untell i have 100+ kills then i go on Defence to finish the match defending our last 2 flags. i normaly end up geting 300 or more kills and around 150-200 bonus honor.

I know that you can only kill a guy 5x for honor so 5x40=200 kills and by rights your maxed. but what can i do while i wait for the game to end.

some times i go to IB and defend there 1st then head up to offence but by the time i get back to defending FW its over run with alli. well thats my time in AV.
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Old 19-12-2006, 07:09 PM   #7
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To the Op: Your strategy sounds fun, but no one wants to have fun in AV. They want to get their honor and their mark, and then get out of there.

Also, afaik you can't join AV as a group or even as a raid.
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Old 19-12-2006, 07:45 PM   #8
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Denn, why I applaud your enthusiasm the above simply isnt possible.

Aside from needing an opposing team who actually doesnt win during all your gathering and focusing elsewhere, and needing 39 other people who actually want to see this happen, timing it so it all happens at once would be nill impossible.

1. Wing commanders have to run back from the other side of the map, survive, and then accept turnins before being allowed to fly off to a particular position.

2. The 'ultimate' mob you summon has a few problems. First, he doesnt move for 5min after hes summoned successfully. This only can happen when your druids/shamans are at the spawn location, safely, and not being attacked/kited etc. Not as easy as you may think, 40 guarding or not. He can then be kited decently easily away from anywhere you can protect him.

3. Wolf/Ram riders - other than a post/check at a middle graveyard they have a set path that they wont stop for, except to kill. Controlling the timing would be difficult to say the least.

4. Towers/Gy caps. All these things wont wait for you to cap gys and towers. Graveyards take 2min or so to 'cap', towers take 5min. No NPC will help do this other than clearing npcs/players nearby on their way to their main target.

So even if you were to, theoretically, time turnins with delays/timers, none would stay coordinated for very long. You simply dont have that kind of control.
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Old 19-12-2006, 08:23 PM   #9
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To the Op: Your strategy sounds fun, but no one wants to have fun in AV. They want to get their honor and their mark, and then get out of there.

Also, afaik you can't join AV as a group or even as a raid.
There is an Addon that may help you:

http://wow.curse-gaming.com/en/files...3/stinkyqueue/
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Old 19-12-2006, 09:24 PM   #10
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To the Op: Your strategy sounds fun, but no one wants to have fun in AV. They want to get their honor and their mark, and then get out of there.

Also, afaik you can't join AV as a group or even as a raid.
Getting as much honor as fast as possible and then go get my hwl gear is fun :).
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